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    #61
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    im listening to it now, its a pretty good cd, i wouldnt say their best, but its still pretty good. hopefully ill like it more the more i listen to it.

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    #62
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    Oh yeah, and way to avoid every aspect of my post regarding Tool and their new and shitty album. I like that... it's like you can't accept it or you you can't see it for the shit it is because hey, it's TOOOOL the greatest band ever!1 They probably still are one of the best but it seems to me that they like to fuck around with you sheep and that's hopefully what this album is... an actual joke... because man it sucks... the concept is lost... and the fact that it's constructed as a concept album makes it all the more funny. Directionless Tool wankery for the fan boys.

    Don't make any response to the intent of my posts in this thread people, because then you'll be going against Tool!1 Insted try and weasel your way around what I'm saying and comment on what I'm doing or how I'm acting... that will get you're point across the rest of fan boys, that "Tool rules and what this crazy person is saying isn't true Tool rules".
    Well, this is quite a coincidence to return to this site looking specifically for a thread about the new Tool album and see someone whom I know to be a fan trash them.

    I'll admit, I don't pay for any music, and although I'd like to support the band, I just can't bring myself to fork out an enormous sum of money such as $15 or $20 dollars. Even such a legendary event as the release of this much anticipated album is no exception. I found a torrent from isohunt and quickly burned myself a copy a few hours ago, and am currently about to finish the album for the first time.

    I haven't even listened to the lyrics as I'm just absorbing the music and reading reviews right now, but I can tell you that from reading about the contents of some of the songs that you may be correct about the concept of this album being a joke. As a matter of fact, the idea had been floating around my head since I'd begun to read. I honestly wouldn't put it past the band. I'll analyze some of the lyrics and get back to you if you're up for a discussion.

    And excuse the fact that I've only read the first couple of posts if I missed anything.

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    #63
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    Anti-trend... ahahaha... Tool does rule... their new album is fucking stupid. And people are still going buy it and like it and say "Oh, well it took a few listens for it to grow on me". Bah, you're all idiots.
    so your saying tool released this load to separate their real fans from the scene kids?

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    #64
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    I like tool, I've liked them for a while (ogt, back in '92, from the first EP)

    I'll buy this cd, because I like this band and I beleive in supporting artists. If it sucks, then it does and that is ok because I like them and I wouldn't drop them or talk shit about them just because of a few bad judgement calls.
    I have a friend who is a musician, he's sung a few bad notes, written some hokey songs...but we are still friends.

    Tool has three groundbreaking cd's that came out and blew everone away, the music industry and fans have been waiting for this new album and expectations are so high for it to be the next savior. To meet everyone's expectations this album would have to get you high, do your dishes and give you head to be better than the other three and even if it did all those things there would still be dicks out there critisizing the high, the housework and how awkward you feel the next day after having sex with your cd. I think I'd like to make my own mind up about this new thing without taking the hyper critical anti-fan approach.

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    #65
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by lateralus
    And excuse the fact that I've only read the first couple of posts if I missed anything.
    Like, for example, the entire conversation.
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    if you know the Tool FAQ well enough, you might notice all the contradictions in this "10,000 Days". (LOL)
    I haven't yet read the Tool FAQ (I'll put it on my todo list), but I managed to see said contradictions anyway.

    First of all, how much of the album is spoken from a fervently Christian point of view? A lot of us remember the April Fool's joke in 2005, with the Kurt Loder MTV fiasco (haha) in which Maynard announced that he'd 'found Jesus'. Much to Kurt Loder's -and any other reporter dumb enough to accept it as fact- chagrin, it turned out to be a big laugh. Secondly, any APC fan will, if he'd been paying attention, refer you to:
    Quote Originally Posted by A Perfect Circle - Judith
    Youâ??re such an inspiration for the ways
    That Iâ??ll never ever choose to be
    Oh so many ways for me to show you
    How the savior has abandoned you
    Fuck your god
    Your lord and your christ
    He did this
    Took all you had and
    Left you this way
    Still you pray, you never stray
    Never taste of the fruit
    You never thought to question why

    Itâ??s not like you killed someone
    Itâ??s not like you drove a hateful spear into his side
    Praise the one who left you
    Broken down and paralyzed

    He did it all for you
    He did it all for you


    Oh so many many ways for me to show you
    How your dogma has abandoned you
    Pray to your christ, to your god
    Never taste of the fruit
    Never stray, never break
    Never---choke on a lie
    Even though heâ??s the one who did this to you
    You never thought to question why

    Not like you killed someone
    Itâ??s not like you drove a spiteful spear into his side
    Talk to jesus christ
    As if he knows the reasons why
    He did it all for you
    Did it all for you
    He did it all for you..
    which entirely contradicts the whole point of tracks three and four of the new album.
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    Why does it need to grow on you before you start to like it... what a shitty way to "appreciate" music... and yet almost everyone does it.
    Well, I'd been hearing Tool on the radio for years, all the while blatantly loathing their sound. It wasn't until I decided to really give them a try a couple years ago that I got into the band and started to truly appreciate the intracacies of their lyrics and sound, so I definitely have to disagree with you here. In fact, I think you even contradicted yourself in that paragraph:
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    no wonder no one can hear that Tool's new album sucks. I doubt most of you even really listen to the music and how it's put together... all you hear is a song with a title...
    right here. If you're expected to like it after only a single listen, how can you possibly hear all of the subtleties in music of this kind (which is part of the reason I became interested)? Sure, someone with an incredibly analytic ear might be able to sort of pull this off, but not your average Joe. (i.e., most of us)
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    Get over Tool so that maybe they'll stop fucking around and put out a good album. Not a decent one...
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    I only wish the band could admit it themselves and end this whole thing but why would they want to do that when they can put out any product they shit out of they're rusty assholes and make money off a bunch of idiots.
    I doubt Tool will come out and admit any such thing, and it's quite a shame they don't do more interviews. I even read somewhere that the band avoids, as much as possible, reading fan reviews of their music so as not to influence their ego or music. Come to think of it, what about their Meshuggah influence? So much for not influencing their music. I heard a few parts that may have been influenced by Meshuggah (Catch 33), but they could've just as easily been 100% Tool. Wherever the supposed influence lies, in my opinion, it's subtle.
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    And all those gay solos?? I mean, what the hell has Adam thinking? Awesome effects... could have been used welll but nope... WAHHH WAAOOHHH WHEEEE WAHHHH WIDDILY WAAAOHHHAHHH...
    I agree. Those kinds of solos are far from innovative and have been done a million times, but I wonder if they've ever been as drawn out and boring as in these instances. Have you ever listened to The Doors - The End? A substantial piece of one of the tracks (if memory serves, track four) is spookily reminiscent of pieces of that song going as far as to even completely recycle the drum beat.
    Quote Originally Posted by RevolverBlaze
    Why must people delve so DEEP into music and the bands info. Know all the shit about them, who thier mom is, what they did in 4th grade. Just fucking listen to the music you like. Simple
    To truly attempt to obtain even an inkling of understanding of what Tool intended to convey, you can't just 'fucking listen to the music'. For example, Maynard strongly hints of Jungian psychological theory, and, I mean, I don't know about you, but Jungian theory isn't exactly my typical, mundane dinner-table conversation topic. Read the beginning of my post for another example.
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    And there are a few parts in Rosetta Stoned that I thought were ok... "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!1" ect...
    I think the song sounds great after "You had better, you'd better listen". Really great, actually. Still, I've written songs of greater complexity in a half an hour.
    Quote Originally Posted by CocaCola
    Sunkist and Sudafed, goddamn, shit the bed? Oh so you're fucking Meth fiend now? What is the point? And what does Rosetta Stoned mean? Is that a character in this story?
    I don't know who the hell Rosetta is, but you do realize Rosetta Stoned is a continuation of the previous song, right? It isn't the only instance of such two-part pieces in the CD, and to tell you the truth, I enjoy the transitions between the the intro/conclusions (3&4 is the other one).. At first, I thought 'Rosetta' was the narrator, but.. in the previous track, the doctor repeatedly refers to the patient as a male, and I assume Rosetta is a feminine name, but who knows.. Whoever is narrating, though, somehow wanders or is taken into a hospital, and tells his/her story of being the unlikely candidate for an alien encounter in which he is surprised to hear that the "E motherfucking T" chooses him to deliver some kind of very deep message indeed, to whoever will listen. What was the message? Oops, he forgot.

    It seems, at times, that the album is building this incredible crescendo in order to climax with this awe-inspiring, emotional, epic, intellectual brilliance that we all expected, but most of the crescendos seem to lead to either an overly extended plateau of boringness or a sore disappointment in the form of a very lame -but heavy- guitar riff. I always think of Wings for Marie and 10,000 Days when I think of this.. the former had some very nice, I thought, moments (actually, the moments I'm talking about are duplicated in the song after it, toward the end), and I loved the intro to 10,000 Days. I love that bassline, and that thunder is effective.. there's so much potential in that song.. you get the feeling you're about to witness something phenomenal, 'cause after all, it's Tool damn it - and the song doesn't go anywhere. After all the bashing, though, I still appreciate and enjoy the album despite its lulls and repetitive disappointments.

    I know I forgot to include something. I *always* do.

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    #66
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Maybe "The Pot" is about www.cannabis.com. Perhaps he anticipated our bitching, and he is the true genius prophet who can do no wrong after all, and we should all drop down and worship the lord and disappointing albums. Yes.. yes, I think it's evident that this is what Maynard intended.. Hallelujah, FINALLY the instant higher moral ground I was looking for!
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend Maynard
    Who are you to wave your finger?
    -Puts finger down in a humble manner, yes-

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    #67
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Holy shit I got tired of reading. Just wanted to put in my $0.02. The new Tool album does not suck, but it is obviously not their best work. They JUST got back together; maybe they're not in the groove yet. I heard "Vicarious" and "The Pot" live at Coachella Music Festival. During the beginning of "The Pot", there were some boo's and some expressions of disapproval. But those ended as soon as the guitars started up. And "Pork Soda" is, indeed, the shit.

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    #68
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    omg i downloaded the new album and it sounds like shit, i downloaded it because i heard tool was a good band but if they sound even remotely like they did in 10,000 days then they suck. HARD.

    but seriously, i usually like all music but i couldn't finish even a single song on that album because they were all SO bad.
    honestly i cant even hear any variation in their tone/beat/sounds and thats saying alot cause im a pothead who LOVES music.


    so my opinion is that the new tool album is for tools.

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    #69
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    Never understood the hype with this band. The music kind of bores me although I enjoy their clay-mation music videos on mute. I dunno man maybe I haven't heard the right songs by them.

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    #70
    Senior Member

    The new Tool album is a joke.

    alot of times there is one song that 'opens the door' to a person for tool.
    for me it was schism. until i heard that song i was much like you. once i had my in...then you see it from the inside out. and then you fall over in amazement.

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