Bear with me for a moment...I challenge you to actually read this post. :thumbsup:

Quote Originally Posted by J. KRISHNAMURTI
Very few of us listen directly to what is being said, we always translate or interpret it according to a particular point of view, whether Hindu, Muslim, or communist. We have formulations, opinions, judgments, beliefs through which we listen, so we are actually never listening at all; we are only listening in terms of our own particular prejudices, conclusions, or experiences. We are always interpreting what we hear, and obviously that does not bring about understanding. What brings about understanding, surely, is to listen without any anchorage, without any definite conclusion, so that you and I can think out the problem together, whatever the problem may be.

If you know the art of listening, you will not only find out what is true in what is being said, but you will also see the false as false and the truth in the false; but if you listen ARGUMENTATIVELY, then it is fairly clear that there can be no understanding, because argument is merely your opinion against another opinion, or your judgment against another, and that actually prevents the understanding or discovery of the truth in what is being said.
I think this makes alot of sense. There are always three sides to the story, if not more, and the truth is always found somewhere in between all sides. I tend to agree with the physicalists on this one because I have a hard time accepting anything with does not seem scientific in nature or seem to even have a logical way of proving its disputed existence; however, I will also admit that Braddoghas an extremely valid point.

Quote Originally Posted by Braddog10
I am not trying to be rude,..But, it's just not a smooth issue. There is very little difference between you and some evangelist out there with his bull horn and his propaganda plastered all over everything. Your just preaching your own religious ideology, in no better fashion than some judgemental religious hypocrite. The two of you are two peas in the same pod, the Christian religious hypocrite at one end and you the aetheist religious hypocrite.
Now don't get me wrong folks...I like, actually, I LOVE to argue just as much as the next guy...but when it comes to something like prayer...I mean, if it makes people feel better, why not?

I don't pray very much nowadays but I used to everynight. :smokin: