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[Breukelen advocaat]

well said gumby - a very eloquently expressed put down. My sentiments exactly.....
lets all love thy neighbours.....

Hey Dandyandy,

Thanks for your words of wisdom. Next time I'm an eyewitness to the mass murder of 2500+ people by religious psychopaths I'll be sure to remember to apply the advice "love thy neighbours" toward the perps.

[Great Spirit]

This is what the Neo-cons..or shall I say Neo-Nazis in Amerika did. They simply EXPLOITED THE JIHADISTS!!! They figure that they could blame it all on Muslims. Just like Hitler exploited the communists back in 1933 when the the Nazis set the Reichstag on fire and blamed it on a communist. Bush and his administration made everyone believe that it was Muslim terrorists with boxcutters that hijacked 4 airplanes...which is ridiculous. I have doubts to the official story. Lol you ask a politician about 9/11 and they say "read the official 9/11 report!" Fucken dooschbags.

I mean, surely the US being the sole super power that it is would have scrambled its fighter jets to intercept the "hijacked" planes, yet there weren't. Right there that makes me suspicious. The planes that hit the WTC were remote controlled. No one was on them. They created fake phone calls to pass it off as the real deal. As for the people...they probably pulled names out of their asses. Afterall, it is the US government!! They can make you believe whatever you want to hear.

Yes Al-Qaeda is a real terrorist organization, but there goals are to kick out foreign domination which includes the US and keep Islam the dominate religion. They have no interest in conquering us or the world. Thats the Illuminati's doing!!

Al Qaeda is like a bee....you fuck with them then they'll fuck with you. Yes they're stupid and they take their religion to a dangerous level, but so does Judaism and Christianity. In Judaism, God supposedly orders the death of women and children in the conquest for Cannan and order the deaths of homosexuals, and fundemental Christians praise the deaths of homosexuals and believe that billions of people will spend eternity in a literal physical hell simply for not believing in Jesus. The KKK is a Amerikan Christian terrorist group. Perhaps Amerikans should be targeting their own terrorist organizations instead of ones thousands of miles away! So there is no big difference between fundementalists of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity.

I really don't know how humans became so dumb but its really pissing me off. I just want to chill man!

Muslim: Kill the infidel in the name of Allah! Our Quran says so!
Jew: Kill the adulterer in the name of Yaweh! Our Torah says so!
Christian: Kill the homosexual in the name of Christ! Jews who don't believe in Jesus go to hell! Islam is Satan's religion! Israel has come back together and this is the sign for Christ's second coming! Our Bible says so!

[Gumby]

[QUOTE=Psycho4Bud][QUOTE=Gumby]

don't you think our borders would have been secure 3 years ago if our government was really afraid of an attack?? 11 million people have come in since then? YA they are afraid...

The border has been a problem since way before G.W.s day.

yes but it was in his 'reign' that 9/11 happened... over 3 years ago. If they were really afraid of another attack wouldn't they have made a better deal to guard our borders? There is still only a 5% search rate of incoming cargo... I know our borders were weak before, I am mearly saying if someone brakes into your house and you are afraid they are going to do it again, you don't use the same system you had before... you buy an alarm system, get new locks... get a dog... buy a gun... I mean it's ignorant to think otherwise.

The government controls the television and the news that is aired on it...

Once again, how is it that if the government has such control ol' Bill couldn't get a hummer while Bush can plot something of this magnitude?

They kept the pressure of Clinton because he was dumb enough to get caught in a lie - "I did not have sexual relations with that woman' I think we all remember that saying... that's why they faught for the better time of the case. It was the lying under oath, not getting a Hummer.... and if you notice the same thing is going on right now.... they are just starting with Scooter Libby, then going to Rove and so on... the legal process is long and drawn out, it's just the way it's set up and when people like Tom Delay use their 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS that he got for not rerunning for lawyers it takes a bit longer. We don't have Bush because he controls what comes out of the whitehouse and he has gained more power than any other president before him because of his 'war on terror'. When the public ask him, why did you lie about the WMDs - we're fighting a global war on terror... when the public ask him abuot spying on americans... - we're fighting a global war on terror... when they ask him about a leak - we cannot go into ongoing legal matters.... when they ask him about the avg american being in debt - we created 200,000 new jobs... when they ask him about Bin Laden - oh wait they don't anymore... when they talk about the people that die in Iraq everyday because of a war that should have never started.... I AM THE DECIDER AND I CHOOSE WHAT WE DO...

Clinton tried to talk to the people, that's why he got in trouble... bush hides everything from most people, which is why he's gotten away with it. But since the internet has become popular and information can travel without government control his ratings have dropped from 90% to 33% (the worst drop and rating EVER)... and now they are trying to regulate the internet to hide the information out there...

http://www.savetheinternet.com/

"Congress is pushing a law that would abandon Network Neutrality, the Internet's First Amendment. Network neutrality prevents companies like AT&T, Verizon and Comcast from deciding which Web sites work best for you -- based on what site pays them the most. Your local library shouldnâ??t have to outbid Barnes & Noble for the right to have its Web site open quickly on your computer."

I mean watch the news... do you think Natalee Holloway has been on tv for a year because we all give a shit? People get raped everyday, yet the Duke case has been on tv nonstop and they still don't know shit... our tv is controlled by about 5 people... that's scary and truly unamerican. They don't tell us why Bin Laden hates us, we have to wait till he puts out a tape... I had no idea that you couldn't use a picture of Mohammad until I watched South Park... I mean jesus fucking christ I get more news from South Park and the Daily Show than the real news... Ironic or controlled you tell me.

[Shelbay]

Many people believe special attention has been given to Natalee Hollaway..maybe so..because her MOTHER keeps the information flowing..she is the one that has pushed this entire time for her daughter..she does not give up..she is from Mt. Brook,AL and the people in that community have all come together on this and keep the focus..called dedication and hard work on that one okay. I agree about South Park..haha..that was a good example:thumbsup: I had not watched South Park until a few months ago and now I watch it when I can..it is a good show imo..well the ones I have seen.

[Dr. VanNostrin]

Keep in mind that whatever video or documentay you see that says the proper steps weren't taken to insure safety, doesn't mean that Bush planned the damn thing. Because when you go down that road you are basically saying that Bush came to a decision to fake a terrorist attack and kill thousands of people. That means he went over in his head "I'm going to kill thousands of people with radio-controlled planes, blame it on terrorists, and sit back and absorb the hatred that Americans are about to have for me." You mean to tell me that's what happened? That's fucking proposterous. I agree the guy is not suitable or smart enough for the position of President of the United States, but to say he murdered thousands so that he can get a hold of the oil (keep in mind most of us probably wont even be using the shit before long because of the prices) and risk being caught and tried for terrorism himself? You think his ENTIRE administration would go along with it? Even if they say he is guilty of neglect that doesn't mean he helped. Sure, he knew something might go down from what his advisors were telling him, but he never opened the damn envelope in the first place. It's not like he read the report and then did nothing, he never read the shit in the first place that is neglect, not a plot. Most people who think the Bush administration is responsible for this did it so that they could blame it on Iraq so they could go to war and get the oil. But they had to know the prices would rise and they had to know we would eventually be using hybrids and shit anyway. I keep saying it doesn't seem worth it and it doesn't. I could see a massive cover-up on a scale this big if there was something to gain, but what the hell has Bush gained? His people hate him, he'll probably secure a very unrespected place in our future history books, and he'll be out of the office in 2 years, and will have no more "evil powers". You think he did this shit so he could have the world hate him for the rest of his term and probably disrespect him for the rest of his life? Come on, the guy is an idiot and no idiot is gonna pull of some shit like you are saying he pulled off. It was terrorists who killed people, not your president

[Gumby]

i wanna know why everyone thinks it's so easy for a terrorist, much less 22 of them, to all get on planes with box cutters and take them over... fly them into buildings and then show up alive. To me that's more of a conspiricy than our president knowing he was about to blow them up.

Dont' forget it was right after a rigged election and he didn't want people looking into that... he needed to keep attention away from how shitty a job as president he had done....

http://filmstripinternational.com/fi...strip=election

Don't forget his aproval rating shot to a historic 90+% approval rating... never has that happened before... and with that he was able to pass a ton of bills that gave him power no president has ever had... mainly including the Patriot Act. Don't forget he was aslo able to win the House and Senate and have full power to make more money for his and his partners companies.

http://filmstripinternational.com/index.php

Don't forget he has only been 'checked' 3 times by congress in the past term... where as Clinton was 'checked' over 1,000 times... it's the better half of the 'checks and balances'. When you have full control over governmnet... you can be a dictator... something he wanted.

Don't forget he has ordered more deaths in Iraq for a war inwhich we should have never been in. He lied about that, why could he not lie about 9/11?? What's different between that? I see nothing more than another dictator who was put into power...

don't forget you get a million dollars if you can prove it wasn't blown up...

http://www.reopen911.org/Contest.htm


don't forget we have video of it being blown up...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61603&q=9%2F11

Don't forget that the 9/11 commision report was wrong and incomplete...

http://filmstripinternational.com/fi...mstrip=griffin


don't forget that Bush has a worse past filled with corruption and disgrace than any of the terrorist you can find... why again is it so hard for Bush to kill people but not some random guy?? A person is a person and a death is a death, no matter who caused it... Is Jihad the only reason you can find to explian why terrorist flew planes into buildings in america?? Who and why would anyone do something like that??

Muslims just got bombed the shit out of... their countries are in turmoil, they gained nothing from the attacks... what reason would they have to cause them? They have not attacked again yet (altough silverstein just re-uped his insurance on the Sears Tower so watch out)... isn't that a little odd?? I mean we are in their country killing thier wives and kids yet not another attack in 5 years on america soil?? Oh but it was easy for them to hijack 4 planes and hit buildings here... we know it's not cause our borders are secure, Canadians want to fly to mexico and walk across because it's easier than flying in... But we're under a 'elevated terror alert"... BULLSHIT...

just take 5 hours and read something... how much have you read about what Bush said happened?? Or his story of the events?? I can't findit anywhere... I cannot find nor have found anyone that believes terrorist have done it to show me ANY evidence that it was terrorist...

I'm open minded and would love for someone to tell me I am crazy and that it was terrorists, but I am also a person who needs facts to believe in something not a story from a leader... so please, no ideas.... not thoughts... no Bush is God he couldn't hurt anyone... does anyone have anything I can read or watch that shows a different story??

I post hours of movies and pages upon pages of facts that support what I think... can just one person come on here and do the same form the toehr point of view... Please.... someone... something explaining how 22 people could hijack four planes and fly them into 3 buildings and crash one...

show me anything you wish I want to read it...

[Dr. VanNostrin]

Why is it so hard for you to believe the planes were hijacked? A boxcutter could very easily get past security no problem, especially prior to 9/11, and four people per plane who suddenly jump up weilding the things could make their way to the cockpit. I know a guy pulls one on me, especially four of them, I'm gonna get out of his way, I don't know about you. Once inside the cockpit it would not be very difficult to crash the planes I mean shit they didn't even have to actually fly all they had to do was stear. And what hijackers were found alive? Aside from that you are still saying that Bush came to the conscious decision to kill thousands of people and thus create a vast hatred for himself and pretty much screw us for the future cause no countries are going to want to help us next time we need it. If he thought through how to do it and get away with it he had to be thinking about what would come from it and nothing has come from it to work in his favor to make me say, "thats why he did it!". Seriously though ask yourself what the hell would he get out of doing this? The guy is too fucking stupid pull this off and if it's such a conspiracy how come you conspiracy theorists haven't been silenced? Surely they wouldn't allow a common person like yourself to know "the truth". And if all this eveidence is so absolute you don't think at least one person with political power would be able to prove it and have his ass hanged for treason? Come on, whatever subject it is there will always be people to fabricate their own conclusion and say it was some conspiracy because, I don't know, I guess you just trust nobody and nothing that's why every event in history if a fucking conspiracy to you people. Moon landing - faked; 9/11 - plotted by bush; Kenedy - killed by someone other than obvious as fucking hell Lee Harvey Oswald. Whatever it is there will always always always be people who are absolutely sure that what they think is right cause they are so fucking paranoid

[Bong30]

ok gumby try this....sounds about right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemb...rrorist_Attack

The attacks started with the hijacking of four commercial airliners. With jet fuel capacities of nearly 24,000 U.S. gallons (91,000 liters),[3] each aircraft became a flying incendiary bomb. American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the north side of the north tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) at 8:46:40 a.m. local time (12:46:40 UTC). At 9:03:11 a.m. local time (13:03:11 UTC), United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the south tower, an event covered live by television broadcasters that had their cameras trained on the North Tower. American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37:46 a.m. local time (13:37:46 UTC). The fourth hijacked plane, United Airlines Flight 93, crashed in a field in southwest Pennsylvania, at 10:03:11 a.m. local time (14:03:11 UTC), with parts and debris found up to eight miles away. The crash in Pennsylvania is believed to have resulted from the hijackers either deliberately crashing the aircraft or losing control of it as they fought with the passengers. No one survived in any of the hijacked aircraft.[4]

The fatalities were in the thousands: 265 on the four planes; 2,595, including 343 New York City firefighters, 23 NYPD police officers, and 37 Port Authority police officers, in the towers and on the ground; and 125 civilians and military personnel at the Pentagon. At least 2,986 people were killed in total. In addition to the 110-floor Twin Towers of the World Trade Center itself, five other buildings at the WTC site, including WTC building 7, and four subway stations were destroyed or badly damaged. In total, on Manhattan Island, 25 buildings were damaged. Communications equipment such as broadcast radio, television and two-way radio antenna towers were damaged beyond repair. In Arlington County, a portion of the Pentagon was severely damaged by fire and one section of the building collapsed.[5]


The Pentagon was severely damaged during the attack, and 125 lives were lost.Some passengers and crew members were able to make phone calls from the doomed flights. They reported that multiple hijackers were aboard each plane. A total of 19 were later identified by the FBI, four on United 93 and five each on the other three flights.

For a short period, the precise identity of the 19 hijackers was uncertain. For example, the BBC reported 14 days after the attack that 4 of the 19 were alive based upon the initial identification supplied by the FBI.[6]

The hijackers reportedly took control of the aircraft by using box-cutter knives to kill flight attendants and at least one pilot or passenger. The 9/11 Commission could only establish that two of the hijackers had recently purchased Leatherman multi-function hand tools,[7] but some form of noxious chemical spray, such as tear gas or pepper spray, was reported to have been used on American 11 and United 175 to keep passengers out of the first-class cabin. Bomb threats were made on three of the aircraft, but not on American 77.

In the fourth airplane, black box recordings reportedly revealed that crew and passengers attempted to seize control of the plane from the hijackers, who then rocked the plane in a failed attempt to subdue the passengers. According to 9-1-1 tapes, one of the passengers, Todd Beamer, had asked for the operator to pray with him before the passengers attempted to retake the aircraft. After praying, he simply said, "Let's roll." (The 9/11 Commission stated that Beamer actually said "Roll it," most likely referring to a drinks cart being used as a battering ram.) The term "Let's roll" would later become the war cry for those fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Soon afterward, the aircraft crashed into a field near Shanksville in Stonycreek Township, Somerset County, Pennsylvania, at 10:03:11 a.m. local time (14:03:11 UTC). There is a dispute about the exact timing of the crash, founded on the seismic evidence which indicates that the impact occurred at 10:06 a.m..[8] The 9/11 Panel reports that captured al-Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed said that Flight 93's target was the U.S. Capitol, which was given the code name, "The Faculty of Law."

See also: Communication during the September 11, 2001 attacks
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Fatalities
Number of fatalities World Trade Center Towers 2,595
Flight 11 92
Flight 175 65
Pentagon Building 125
Flight 77 64
Shanksville Flight 93 45
Total 2,986
At the World Trade Center, faced with a desperate situation of smoke and burning heat from the jet fuel, an estimated 200 people jumped to their deaths from the burning towers (as depicted in the photograph The Falling Man), landing on the streets and rooftops of adjacent buildings hundreds of feet below (a reaction to the attacks similar to the effects of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire). In addition, some of the occupants of each tower above its point of impact made their way upward toward the roof in hope of helicopter rescue. No rescue plan existed for such an eventuality. By some accounts, fleeing occupants instead encountered locked access doors upon reaching the roof. In any case, thick smoke prevented rescue helicopters from landing.

As many as 1,366 people were trapped at and above the floors of impact in the North Tower (1 WTC). None of them survived. As many as 600 people were trapped at and above the floors of impact in the South Tower (2 WTC). Only about 18 managed to escape in time from above the impact zone and out of the South Tower before it collapsed.

As the suburbs around New York City learned of the destruction so close to home, many schools closed for the day, evacuated, or were locked down. Other school districts shielded students from watching television because many of their parents held jobs in the World Trade Center towers. In New Jersey and Connecticut, private schools were evacuated. Scarsdale, New York schools closed for the day. In Greenwich, Connecticut, about 15 miles north of the city, hundreds of students had direct ties to victims of the attacks. Greenwich, Connecticut, and New Canaan, Connecticut, two of the wealthiest towns in the world, had more residents killed than any other town in the New York metro area.

According to Associated Press, the city identified over 1,600 bodies but was unable to identify the rest of the bodies (about 1,100 people). They report that the city has "about 10,000 unidentified bone and tissue fragments that cannot be matched to the list of the dead."[9]

See also: Survivors of the September 11, 2001 attacks
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Other planned attacks
Allegedly 27 members of al-Qaeda attempted to enter the United States to take part in the September 11 attacks. In the end, only 19 allegedly participated. Other would-be hijackers are often referred to as the 20th hijacker.

Ramzi Binalshibh allegedly meant to take part in the attacks, but he was repeatedly denied a visa for entry into the U.S. Mohamed al-Kahtani, a Saudi Arabian citizen, may also have been planning to join the hijackers but U.S. Immigration authorities at Orlando International Airport refused his entry into the U.S. in August, 2001. He was later captured in Afghanistan and imprisoned at the U.S. military prison known as Camp X-Ray at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Zacarias Moussaoui was reportedly considered as a replacement for Ziad Jarrah, who at one point threatened to withdraw from the scheme because of tensions amongst the plotters. Plans to include Moussaoui were allegedly never completed because the al-Qaeda hierarchy allegedly had doubts about his reliability. In April 2005, Moussaoui pled guilty to conspiring to hijack planes, and to involvement with al-Qaeda, but he denies foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks. His plea makes him eligible for the death penalty. At his sentencing trial, FBI agent Greg Jones testified that prior to the attacks, he urged his supervisor, Michael Maltbie, "to prevent Zacarias Moussaoui from flying a plane into the World Trade Center." Maltbie had refused to act on 70 requests from another agent, Harry Samit, to obtain a warrant to search Moussaoui's computer.[2]


Buildings surrounding the World Trade Center were heavily damaged by the debris and massive force of the falling twin towers.Other al-Qaeda members who allegedly may have attempted, but were unable, to take part in the attacks include Saeed al-Ghamdi (not to be confused with the successful hijacker of the same name), Mushabib al-Hamlan, Zakariyah Essabar, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali, and Tawfiq bin Attash. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the attack's mastermind, wanted to remove at least one memberâ??Khalid al-Mihdharâ??from the operation, but he was overruled by Osama bin Laden.

According to Mohammed Afroze, a planned simultaneous attack in London on the Palace of Westminster and Tower Bridge was aborted at the last minute when the would-be hijackers, waiting to board the planes they were to hijack, saw the damage in the U.S., panicked, and fled.

Zacarias Moussaoui, at his sentencing hearing in March 2006, claimed that, upon the personal directive of Osama bin Laden, he and Richard Reid were due to hijack a fifth plane and fly it into the White House.[3] His own defence lawyers dismissed this as fantasy on the part of Moussaoui, saying that he was not an operative in Al Qaeda, but only a "hanger-on."[4] In February of 2006, President Bush revealed that an Al Qaeda plan to crash a plane into Library Tower in Los Angeles, also on the same day, had been foiled.[5] Similar attacks may also have been planned in New Delhi, Melbourne, and Montreal.

The U.S. government also initially claimed that the White House and Air Force One were also targeted, although the source and nature of these threats was not disclosed (BBC News, September 12, 2001, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537534.stm).

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Responsibility and motives
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Responsibility
Main article: Responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks

The World Trade Center on fire. The plume of smoke escaping the towers would, upon the towers' ultimate collapse, go on to cover the entire lower portion of Manhattan as well as large sections of Brooklyn.The United States government determined (in part based on classified information) that al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden bear responsibility for the attacks. Bin Laden initially denied, but later admitted involvement in the incidents. He had earlier declared a holy war against the United States and this is seen as a motive for the 9/11 attacks.

On September 16, 2001, Osama bin Laden denied any involvement with the attacks by reading a statement which was broadcast by Qatar's Al Jazeera satellite channel: "I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation."[10] This denial was broadcast on U.S. news networks and worldwide. This was in stark contrast to an earlier Fatwa, signed by bin Laden and others, calling for the killing of American civilians in 1998.[11]

In November, 2001, U.S. forces recovered a videotape from a destroyed house in Jalalabad, Afghanistan, in which a man who apparently is Osama bin Laden is talking to Khaled al-Harbi. In the tape, bin Laden admits to planning the attacks.[12] The tape was broadcast on various news networks in December, 2001.

Shortly before the U.S. presidential election in 2004 in a taped statement, bin Laden publicly acknowledged al-Qaeda's involvement in the attacks on the U.S, and admitted his direct link to the attacks. He said that the attacks were carried out because, "we are a free people who do not accept injustice, and we want to regain the freedom of our nation."

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States was formed by the United States government and was commonly called the 9-11 Commission. It released its report on July 22, 2004, concluding that the attacks were conceived and implemented by members of al-Qaeda.[13] The Commission stated that, "9/11 plotters eventually spent somewhere between $400,000 and $500,000 to plan and conduct their attack," but that the specific origin of the funds used to execute the attacks remained unknown. To date, only peripheral figures have been tried or convicted in connection with the attacks.

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Motive
According to official U.S. government sources, the September 11th attacks were consistent with the mission statement of al-Qaeda. The group's involvement in the bombing of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania is widely suspected, and al-Qaeda had declared responsibility for the 2000 USS Cole bombing in Yemen.

The motivation for this campaign was set out in a 1998 fatwa issued by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Shaykh Mir Hamzah, and Fazlur Rahman (Amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh, Fazlur Rahman).[14] The fatwa lists three "crimes and sins committed by the Americans":

U.S. support of Israel.
U.S. occupation of the Arabian Peninsula.
U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people.
The fatwa states that the United States:

Plunders the resources of the Arabian Peninsula.
Dictates policy to the rulers of those countries.
Supports abusive regimes and monarchies in the Middle East, thereby oppressing their people.
Has military bases and installations upon the Arabian Peninsula, which violates the Muslim holy land, in order to threaten neighboring Muslim countries.
Intends thereby to create disunion between Muslim states, thus weakening them as a political force.
Supports Israel, and wishes to divert international attention from (and tacitly maintain) the occupation of Palestine.
The Gulf War and the ensuing sanctions against and bombing of Iraq by the United States, were cited, in 1998, as further proof of these allegations. To the discrete disapproval of moderate Muslims, the fatwa uses Islamic texts to exhort violent action against American military and citizenry until the alleged grievances are reversed: stating "ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries."


Aerial photo taken April 27, 2004 of the area of the crash of United Airlines Flight 93 in Shanksville, PA (USGS)Statements of al-Qaeda recorded after 9/11 add weight to the U.S account of who was responsible for the attacks. In a 2004 video, apparently acknowledging responsibility for the attacks, bin Laden stated that he was motivated by the 1982 Lebanon War, which he held the U.S. partially responsible for. In the video, bin Laden also claims that he wants to, "restore freedom to our nation," to, "punish the aggressor in kind," and to inflict economic damage on America. He declared that a continuing objective of his holy war was to, "[bleed] America to the point of bankruptcy."[15] Bin Laden said, "We swore that America wouldn't live in security until we live it truly in Palestine. This showed the reality of America, which puts Israel's interest above its own people's interest. America won't get out of this crisis until it gets out of the Arabian Peninsula, and until it stops its support of Israel."

The 9/11 Commission Report determined that the animosity towards the United States felt by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the so-called, "principal architect" of the 9/11 attacks, stemmed "not from his experiences there as a student, but rather from his violent disagreement with U.S. foreign policy favoring Israel." The same motivation has been imputed to the two pilots who flew into the WTC: Mohamed Atta was described by one Ralph Bodensteinâ??who traveled, worked and talked with himâ??as "most imbued actually about... U.S. protection of these Israeli politics in the region." Marwan al-Shehhi is said to have explained his humorless demeanor with the words: "How can you laugh when people are dying in Palestine?"

By contrast, the Bush administration says that Al-Qaeda was motivated by hatred of the freedom and democracy exemplified by the United States, and independent analysts say that one major Al-Qaeda motive is to encourage Islamic solidarity focused on a common enemy, and thus in the long term help pave the way for an Islamic world order

[Gumby]

I can cut and paste too... it's not that hard bong... how many times do you have to be told that?? now find me a cut and paste of the collapse of the buildings... not some made up story about 19 poeple... who quoting what you just cut and pasted... ". ..., the BBC reported 14 days after the attack that 4 of the 19 were alive based upon the initial identification supplied by the FBI.[6] " Since which half have been found alive...

Next time don't cut and paste... actually form a thought before you type... cause you loaded anther post with crap...

But go ahead try again... find me your 'copy and paste' of how the collapses follow scientific behavor... please... or even try to find me an agrument telling the tale of the box cutters that doesn't link to a conspiracy theory that is more legit than yours...

and let's not try to use wikippedia... cause I just found your arguement... and it's not a scientific source if it claims two things is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Theories as to why members of the U. S. government would have allowed the attacks to occur, perpetrated the attacks, and/or obstructed the investigation generally involve one or more of the following:

* A simple move in a plan for a New World Order. This particular theory takes root in a David Rockefeller Statement to the United Nations Business Council in September 1994: We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. [118] Another reference to a similar statement made by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives: As America becomes an increasingly multicultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat. See also above PNAC reference.
* To destroy embarrassing or incriminating materials located inside of World Trade Center Seven. According to an article in the December 7-13 2005 issue of The Village Voice, the CIA, the Secret Service, the New York City Office of Emergency Management, Salomon Smith Barney all had offices located in that building, and other government agencies had offices in the other 6 World Trade Center buildings (FBI, Customs, etc.)

* US Representative Cynthia McKinney led a Capitol Hill hearing on July 23, 2005 into "what warnings the Bush administration received before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001." Panelist and former CIA official Melvin Goodman was quoted as saying "Congresswoman McKinney is viewed as a contrarian and I hope someday her views will be considered conventional wisdom." Many 9/11 researchers testified at the hearing, including Michael Ruppert, Peter Dale Scott, Wayne Madsen and several others. [104]
* In a Zogby International poll commissioned by 911truth.org, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall believe the US Government "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act." [105]
* The FOX TV series The Lone Gunmen aired their opening episode "Pilot" six months before 9/11 which depicted a secret U.S. government agency behind a plot to simulate a foreign terrorist airline attack (a Boeing 727 flying into 2 World Trade Center by a powerful computer via remote control) to further a larger political agenda.
* Between 1993 and 2000, Marvin Bush, President Bush's brother was a principal in a company that provided security for both The World Trade Center and United Airlines. According to its president CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down". This last statement has been used by some conspiracy theorists to say that the contract "expired" on September 11, 2001. Barbara Bush confirmed this theory in her book 'Reflections' also stating 9/11 was the day the contract expired. Mr. Bush was also a former director and now is an advisor to the board of directors to a firm HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc that had what it called a small participation in the World Trade Center property insurance coverage and some of the surrounding buildings. [106] Marvin Bush was on a subway under Wall Street when the attacks happened. [107]

President Bush was promoting the passage of his education plan at Emma E. Booker Elementary School on the morning of September 11th.

Conspiracy theorists have questioned the President's behavior after being told that the nation was under attack.[100] They think it's likely that he would have been taken to safety at once, presuming that he too would be a possible target of a terrorist attack. That he remained in the classroom for another 7-9 minutes is seen as an indication that his security staff was well aware of what was happening, and was therefore not worried.
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George Bush saw the first plane hit?

George Bush was asked a question by a child at a town hall meeting:

QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

Some have pointed out that George Bush could not have seen the first plane hit the tower live on television, as it was a surprise attack and no television station was covering that area when the first plane hit. The videotape of the attack was not presented to the general public until several hours after the attack. This quote has made some suggest that George Bush has access to footage the general public does not, especially about the September 11th attacks.[101], [102]. Others have suggested that the President's statement was, "a lie fabricated to justify his unwillingness to deal with the magnitude of the disaster that had stricken all Americans on September 11, 2001."[10

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Claims cell phone calls were impossible

During the flight of United 93 passengers are said to have made a number of calls to both family and emergency personnel. It is argued by some that connecting a cell phone to a tower's signal would have been near to impossible from the air. Based on this information, some theorists suggest the calls were fabricated or never made at all.[citation needed]

* In 2003 a Canadian team conducted experiments to determine if cell phones could be used from civilian aircraft flying at cruising speeds and altitudes. [94] Their findings concluded the probability of a typical cell phone making a stable connection to a cell on the ground is roughly .006% from the altitude that Flight 93 was supposedly flying at at the time of the cell phone calls. Anecdotal evidence provided to the team by airline passengers in other parts of the US and the world corroborates their findings.

7 World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 pm EDT in the evening of Sept 11, 2001.

Similar to the Towers One and Two theories, 9/11 researchers have proposed the idea Building Seven collapsed as the result of a controlled demolition. The basis for the demolition theory came from the visual observations of the collapse. Advocates for this theory will point to the speed and the near symmetrical fall of the structure. The building came down in just under seven seconds.

The collapse of WTC 7 was an event that baffled structural engineers. [54] Building Seven was not struck by an aircraft nor were the fires inside caused or sustained by jet fuel. [55] The common working hypothesis suggests Building 7 collapsed as the result of structural damage from the collapsing Towers in addition to prolonged fires throughout sustained by fuel stores for emergency generators. Further discussion of the intensity and severity of the fires is mentioned below. Engineers refer to this type of destruction as a "progressive collapse."

A kink or crimp near the center of the building is identical in appearance to many that have occurred when implosion professionals have made buildings collapse inwards to minimize damage of the surrounding structures.

* This observation appears to support the demolition idea which suggests that a carefully calculated fall took place. Although the collapse was not as tidy as sometimes thought; the building just to the north of WTC 7 took considerable damage during its collapse. [56]

It is alleged that the Twin Towers fell at close to free-fall speed, which is further alleged to be a characteristic of controlled demolition.[19] For example, Steven E. Jones claims the fall violates conservation of momentum[20]][21]. As evidence of controlled demolition, conspiracy theorists point to the use of words such as "bomb" or "explosion" by witnesses to describe the collapse of the towers.[22] [23] They also allege that no study has been done to ascertain the presence of explosive residues in Ground Zero or the released dust, though many environmental studies have been done on the particulate matter and dust released by the collapse (including by the DELTA group at UC Davis), and none have indicated the presence of explosive residue.[24] [25]. Furthermore, theorists allege that the collapse of WTC 1,2,and 7 are anomalies, since no steel hi-rise building has suffered a total collapse as the result of fire, before or since the 9-11 attack. The WTC towers burned for less than 102 min (WTC 1) and 56 minutes (WTC 2), during which both towers were stable after the impacts. These hi-rise fires are considered the most similar for comparative purposes: [26]

* the Caracas Tower (2004) - burned for more than 17 hours, spread to over 26 floors.
* One Meridian Plaza (1991) - burned for 18 hours, gutted 8 floors of the 38 floor building.
* First Interstate Bank (1988) - burned for 3 1/2 hours, gutted 4 floors of the 64 floor tower.
* 1 New York Plaza (1970) - burned for more than 6 hours.
* The Madrid Windsor Tower (2004) - burned for nearly 24 hours resulting in a partial collapse of the steel sections of the structure, which included concrete members. [27]

They allege that it is particularly relevant to WTC 7, which was not struck by planes and suffered only damage from falling debris from the collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

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