By the way let me just say I am really enjoying this debate it has remained so civilized and everyone's intelligence is just making this a really interesting argument to take place in. Everyone has information that is quite concrete and since such accurate research has been done, none of the debate has been about people's sources, just opinions. All in all these debates are what I log on for I hope some of you are feeling the same way about a civilized debate...and I recall reading some shit that potheads can't participate in an intelligent conversation, that were are put in the mindstate of a 6-year old when we are high. Yeah right, fuck em if they don't chief pass it to em if they do!