More evidence

[xblackdogx]

"Gov't Concedes No Moussaoui-Reid Evidence

- - - - - - - - - - - -

By MATTHEW BARAKAT Associated Press Writer

April 20,2006 | ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- The government conceded Thursday it had no evidence that would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid was to have conducted a terrorist hijacking with Zacarias Moussaoui, as Moussaoui has claimed.

The defense introduced a statement, agreed to by the government, that was presented to the jury considering whether Moussaoui should be executed or imprisoned for life.

Moussaoui had stunned his trial on March 27 by claiming for the first time that he had intended to participate in the Sept. 11 attacks before his arrest a month earlier.

Earlier, defense lawyers tried to bring Reid to court from a federal prison in Colorado, where he is serving a life sentence for attempting to detonate a shoe bomb on a trans-Atlantic flight in late 2001.

That bid was thwarted. But defense attorneys were able to obtain from the government its agreement on the statement about Reid instead.

"No information is available to indicate that Richard Reid had pre-knowledge of the Sept. 11 operation or was instructed by al-Qaida leaders to conduct an operation in coordination with Moussaoui," the statement said.

It also said Reid had named Moussaoui as the beneficiary in his will and two FBI analysts concluded that was an unlikely decision for him to make if they were going to be on a joint suicide mission.

The statement also said that the FBI has learned from al-Qaida sources that Reid had been ordered to undertake shoe-bombing attacks in late 2001 with another operative, Saajid Badat, who pulled out of the operation and has never been heard from again.

The two FBI analysts also said that it was unlikely Reid was part of a Sept. 11 plot with Moussaoui because he spent the period from May to September 2001 traveling abroad, including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Israel, Turkey and Amsterdam and The Hague in the Netherlands.

By contrast, the statement said, all members of the Sept. 11 operation were in the United States by July 2001.

Defense lawyers hoped the statement would undercut the surprising witness-stand claim by Moussaoui that he and Reid were to have been part of the attacks. The lawyers have been suggesting in their questions that their client lied either to achieve martyrdom through execution or to enhance his role in history."


[Salon provides breaking news articles from the Associated Press as a service to its readers, but does not edit the AP articles it publishes."

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.]

xblackdogx Reviewed by xblackdogx on 04-20-2006. More evidence "Gov't Concedes No Moussaoui-Reid Evidence - - - - - - - - - - - - By MATTHEW BARAKAT Associated Press Writer April 20,2006 | ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- The government conceded Thursday it had no evidence that would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid was to have conducted a terrorist hijacking with Zacarias Moussaoui, as Moussaoui has claimed. The defense introduced a statement, agreed to by the government, that was presented to the jury considering whether Moussaoui should be executed or Rating: 5

[xblackdogx]

if Reid didn't know of the 9/11 attacks and he was going to to shoe bombings in late 2001, that proves alot if indeed true: moussaoui is not guilty of these charges, al queda isnt involved in 9/11: they were planning other attacks though, but nothing that catastrophic

[Psycho4Bud]

And how does this prove that Al-Quada wasn't involved?

[pisshead]

there's no way some tinpot muslim terrorists could have pulled off 9/11...it would be funny if the consequences of that lie weren't so grave.

[Bong30]

there's no way some tinpot muslim terrorists could have pulled off 9/11...it would be funny if the consequences of that lie weren't so grave.

There is no way this happened either.....ohhh yea im sure you think it diidnt.

quit drinking the koolaid (info wars)

http://www.sptimes.com/News/122999/S...rn__72_M.shtml

Terrorists turn '72 Munich Olympics into bloodbath

Eleven Israeli athletes are killed during daylong siege. Airport shootout also leaves 5 captors, 1 policeman dead.
By BRUCE LOWITT

© St. Petersburg Times, published December 29, 1999


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Time was, wars were suspended during the Olympics and armies prohibited from attacking the ancient Games. Truces permitted worshippers and athletes to travel safely.

Times change.

Modern Olympics have been suspended for two world wars.

At 4:30 a.m. Sept. 5, 1972, war, politics and religion invaded the Munich Olympics.

Terrorists claiming to be from Black September, a Palestinian guerrilla group, stole into the Olympic Village dressed as athletes and carrying their weapons in gym bags. They killed two Israelis and took nine hostage.

The terrorists demanded the release of 200 Arab guerrillas jailed in Israel and safe passage for themselves and the hostages. By 11 p.m. the hostages, five of their captors and one West German police officer were dead, the outcome of a failed rescue attempt. Three Arabs were captured.

During the siege, with two Israelis already dead, Avery Brundage, president of the International Olympic Committee, ordered that the Games continue.

"Walled off in their dream world," New York Times columnist Red Smith wrote, "appallingly unaware of the realities of life and death, the aging playground directors who conduct this quadrennial muscle dance ruled that a little blood must not be permitted to interrupt play."

The following day, competition was suspended. The 11 surviving Israeli Olympians, wearing white yarmulkes and maroon blazers, sat among 3,000 athletes, surrounded by 80,000 spectators, honoring and mourning their murdered teammates in a memorial service at the enormous Olympic Stadium.

Five hours later, Brundage decreed that the Games resume, another controversial decision criticized by Israel and other nations, though some Israelis said canceling the Games would have been giving in to blackmail. Also controversial: a pre-Olympic decision by Israel to deal with its security concerns without special treatment from West Germany.

From various accounts, this is what took place that Tuesday in September:

The assault on 31 Connolly St., one of the buildings at the Olympic Village, began at about 5 a.m. with a knock on the door of 33-year-old wrestling coach Moshe Weinberg. He opened it a crack, saw the attackers, put his shoulder to the door and shouted, "Boys, get out!" Weightlifting coach Tuvia Sokolsky said that as he fled, he saw Weinberg hit by a hail of bullets through the door.

Weinberg was ordered to lead the terrorists to other Israeli rooms. He pointed to one with wrestlers and weightlifters, hoping they could overpower the attackers. Then he collapsed and died.

Joseph Romano, 32, a weightlifter, was next to die, also by automatic rifle fire. By now, other Israelis were being warned of the attack. Six escaped through a rear door. Three hundred armed police officers sealed off the area. Brundage and other Olympic officials convened. The siege began.

At 9:35 a.m. the terrorists issued their demands. Negotiations with Munich police chief Manfred Schreiber, in charge of Olympic security, commenced. The Arabs set a noon deadline. They said two Israelis would be shot if the demands were not met.

The deadline was set back to 1 p.m., then 3, then 5, then the Arabs canceled it. Negotiations dragged on. The terrorists rejected an offer of unlimited ransom. They rejected an offer by Schreiber that he and two high-ranking officials take the hostages' place. In Israel, Premier Golda Meir said her government stood by its policy of not dealing with terrorists.

Schreiber said he believed the building could not be successfully stormed, that the terrorists were desperate and would not relent no matter how many lives were lost. He and his colleagues spent the afternoon devising plans to get the Arabs and Israelis out. At dusk, the terrorists said they would consider leaving with the hostages.

Negotiators began trying to persuade the terrorists they could leave West Germany safely. But they were working under Brundage's instructions not to let the Arabs leave with the hostages.

A helicopter pad was hastily built nearby. The Tunisian ambassador obtained permission from his government to let a plane carrying the hostages and terrorists land at a Tunisian airfield.

At 8 p.m. a bus pulled up to 31 Connolly St. The Arab leader demanded a different green army bus "so there was no chance to do anything," Schreiber said later. "They were too clever."

At 8:50 p.m. the first of three helicopters landed at the Olympic Village. Meanwhile, a Lufthansa 737 was flown to the military air base at Furstenfeldbruck, 15 miles west of the village.

At 9 p.m. West German Chancellor Willy Brandt phoned President Anwar el-Sadat of Egypt. Premier Aziz Sidky reportedly took the call and, when asked for help, told Brandt, "We do not want to get involved in this" and hung up.

A minute or two after 10 p.m., the terrorists and hostages emerged from the building, the Israelis bound, blindfolded and tied close together. "This made it impossible to try anything with sharpshooters inside the village," Schreiber recalled. Weightlifters David Berger, 26, and Zeev Friedman, 28; weightlifting instructor Yacob Springer, 51; wrestlers Eliezer Halfin, 28, and Mark Slavin, 18; wrestling referee Yosef Gutfreund, 41; fencing coach Andre Spitzer, 45; athletics coach Amitzur Shapira, 32, and marksmanship coach Kehat Schorr, 53, were herded into the bus. Schreiber and two officials rode with them to the helicopters. The West Germans boarded one, the terrorists and hostages the others. They landed at Furstenfeldbruck at 10:30 p.m.

The pilots had been told the West Germans would try to rescue the Israelis because allowing the Arabs to leave with them "would have been a certain death sentence for the hostages," Bruno Merk, interior minister of Bavaria, said. What happened was not what the pilots expected. The Arabs told them to stand in front of their aircraft, breaking a promise that West Germans would not be involved as hostages. Two Arabs and one or more Israelis walked the 170 yards to the plane for an inspection. They were walking back when one or more sharpshooters hidden in the darkness fired. In the ensuing firefight, the Arabs on the ground killed the Israelis with them. Other terrorists leaped from the helicopters. Several unleashed automatic fire into one, killing the Israelis inside. One of the terrorists tossed a hand grenade into the other helicopter, killing its occupants.

Five days later, in the rain, a subdued closing ceremony was held that included a silent meditation and fewer athletes than usual. The flags of the competing nations were paraded around the stadium. Israel's was not among them.


-- Information from the New York Times was used in this report

[Gumby]

What do the '72 hostages have to do with the world trade center??

Bong people aren't saying terrorist don't exsist... they are saying they didn't blow up the WTC, our government were the nice people who did that...

This shit is 35 years old... please tell me why it's relevent now? Once again your contribution to this argument is pointless and ignorant... Please stop finding usless newpaper stories about terrorist and try to read what we keep explaining over and over again...

Your arguments are become more and more irrelevent though... does this mean you're giving in? Finially seeing the light huh?? Well, if you do welcome to the real world... if not I do believe that there was a terrorist attack in the 30's that's pretty important... you should google it and make sure you have it for the next time you wanna throw shit around...

[Breukelen advocaat]

there's no way some tinpot muslim terrorists could have pulled off 9/11...it would be funny if the consequences of that lie weren't so grave.

I fail to see why the planes' hijackers could not be muslims. Are you saying that they are not capable of putting box cutters up to people's throats and demanding control of the planes? How hard is it, after flying lessons, to steer them the direction of the WTC, or other large targets?

If it was not jihadists, what other kind of crazy lunatics would kill themselves in an unprecedented attack like this? I just can't picture any government agents killing themselves in a suicide mission like this - not to mention that they would be murdering thousands of innocent people in the process.

[Bong30]

He said there is no way it could have been pulled off........seams to me they have been trying for a long time

its called case` history..... showing that they have done it in the past, and they will do it again.

At 4:30 a.m. Sept. 5, 1972, war, politics and religion invaded the Munich Olympics.

Terrorists claiming to be from Black September, a Palestinian guerrilla group, stole into the Olympic Village dressed as athletes and carrying their weapons in gym bags. They killed two Israelis and took nine hostage.

sound way diff..... uh hh no sounds like same shit, diff time
http://factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000660.html



this is new could have been 35 years old too....learn before you post gumby

So far the Palestinian Islamic Jiihad, Hamas and Arafat's thugs from the Al-Aksa brigades have rejected the "Roadmap to peace" and have continued murdering Israeli women and children. They also call for the destruction of Israel and for the genocide of her Jewish citizens.

Some have said that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is like a "20,000 lb gorilla" in the room. Yes, there is a gorilla, but it's not the in the room. This gorilla is called the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and it's sitting on the roadmap, blocking any progress to peace. That's what no one mentions.

[Gumby]

It's still 3 years old... quite finding random shit and thinking it impressed anyone... you're just proving your lack of education... they didn't blow up buildings either they held hostages... you can turn on the fucking tv and find one of those... you can watch the news and see murder... you can see rapes, beatings theft, whatever the fuck you want to watch and they won't be jihadist... so drop that shit like they are they only one's who've ever caused harm...

NO ONE HAS EVER FLOWN A PLANE INTO THE WTC BEFORE... no jihad, no terrorist... no one... it was the first time ever... the last terrorist attack on US soil was caused by US citizens... when was the last bombing you was over here?? TURN ON THE FUCKING TV... THE HAD ANOHTER ONE TODAY OVER THERE... why the fuck do you tihnk they are bombing over there everyday but not here?? could it be caues they aren't as crazy are Bush said they were.. could it be cause he lied about something else... They don't hate us... They hate that you hate them... they hate that you think you can tell them how to live... they hate the fact that you're a fucking moron... wake the fuck up, and if you're going to pull a reference find one where a terrorist blew up something in america ok... Not some bullshit 35 year old crap or some third rate 3 years old article...

[Gumby]

"I fail to see why the planes' hijackers could not be muslims. Are you saying that they are not capable of putting box cutters up to people's throats and demanding control of the planes? How hard is it, after flying lessons, to steer them the direction of the WTC, or other large targets?"

when did muslims become the only ones who could fly airplanes... I was unaware that they were the only ones allowed... and I'm sure you're well aware of how easy it is to fly a plane that size... why don't you listen to his flight instructor talk about how he couldn't fly the plane... I bet that won't matter though.. Bush can give you 22 name, 9 of which are still alive, and show that days before the pilots didn't even know how to fly a smaller planes... yet still believe him... IGNORANT!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...943386&pl=true