So, 65 seed/36 veg/24 flower plant 1/12 flower plants 2&3 / 12 clones as of may 30 2006. It is now june 7 so i believe the stats are

73 seed/ 44 veg/ plant 1 flower day 32/ plants 2&3 flower day 20/ clones 20 days and 14 days on the newer looking ones, which i only applied the rooting gel once. the older ones i applied the rooting gel like 6times. and thats why i think they grew out instead of long like the new ones are. not sure which i like better yet. alot of my attention was with the clones and i took a break from posting and got lazy. I am very dissappointed in my self. I let my babies suffer and paid for it and didnt wanna share it with you all. As i displayed very poor parenting skills to the point of emaciation. i forgot to refill the resaervoirs here are some pics of the clones and i planted 2 of them. and some of the damged plants. trust me they look alot better today than they did 5 days ago.