those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:

[xblackdogx]

Illegal immigrants employ jobs such as restaurants, lawn service, construction, agriculture, and hotels. Let's say business owners are punished for hiring illegal workers (getting paid 5-6). They all have to hire native-born or legal immigrants on the books which they pay (10-12, which actually costs 15-17/hr b/c of taxes the companies pay for each worker).

Now think about the hundreds of thousands of jobs, and see how they effect the the profits of ALL restaurants (pizza to steak joints), lawn service (cutting grass or removing trees), construction (of houses, businesses), agriculture (apples to avocados), and hotels (holiday in to the hyatt).... they all would have to pay over 10 dollars more for EACH worker, how do you think they will pay? higher prices to consumers!

We are shooting ourselves in the foot not letting them work here. Extreme inflation along with regular wages staying the same is bad news for everyone. Who is going to be happy when we cannot go one day without at least one product being produced or served by illegal immigrants, and now pay a much higher price for it while you're still making the same as last year.

xblackdogx Reviewed by xblackdogx on 04-09-2006. those opposing illegal immigration... consider this: Illegal immigrants employ jobs such as restaurants, lawn service, construction, agriculture, and hotels. Let's say business owners are punished for hiring illegal workers (getting paid 5-6). They all have to hire native-born or legal immigrants on the books which they pay (10-12, which actually costs 15-17/hr b/c of taxes the companies pay for each worker). Now think about the hundreds of thousands of jobs, and see how they effect the the profits of ALL restaurants (pizza to steak joints), Rating: 5

[KingPhilie]

aparently somoene has seen a day without mexicans , good shit, and yes your true.

The main argument behind illegal aliens=bad is that "there getting free schoolen for their kids", well that is taken care of in property taxes, so if there in a rent house,apt, or w/e besides living under a bridge, when they pay there rent/lease a portion of that goes to taxes, thus, their tax payers (in a sense), they just aint got greed cards.

.PEACE.

[grinthenbearit]

another person could argue that illegal immigrants force the honest business owner out of business because he will have difficulty delivering the same service as the other business owner who employs illegal immigrants. The end result is less tax revenue which can mean more deficit lower wages for militARY SERVICE PEOPLE, FIRE FIGHTERS ECT.

I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS......GIVING CONVICTS FROM FORIEGN COUNTRIES A BETTER LIFE AS A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE USA AT THE COST OF LOWER STANDARD OF LIVING FOR LEGAL RESIDENTS.

IF WE FORCED ALL THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THE USA WE WOULD BENEFIT ALL LEGAL RESIDENTS BY OVERALL IMPROVING THEIR STANDARD OF LIVING.

I tink it is a issue of helping the less wealthy or improving the lives of the legal residents.

What am I gonna do about it.


well, myself being the person who cares about my standard of living.....I think I will move to canada or Europe a soon as feasibly possible.....there is no way to keep people that motivated out of the USA's opportunities

[Sauce]

Big march for it in Dallas tomorrow, biggest march going to be recorded i heard. I agree with the post

[Freshy]

illegal immigrants cost each american $1200 a year in taxes (english as a second language, ESL class)... they sued Arizona for $21 million. they cost Colorado around $1 billion a year. they are rioting in California about Revolution being the solution.

i'm not against them but, they should get at least minimum wage. if we paid them minimum wage, then there would be no real reason to hire them over other people. they should come here legally (but the unskilled ones can't). and we need to tighten the border up (700 Arabic people caught crossing illegaly by Minute Men, 50 of which were al quaida)

basically:
-pay over minimum wage
-cross legally
-stop rioting
-stop suing us, i think they were bitching about no Mexican history in school
-get the national guard on border (not much weed from Mexico anyways)
-ESL doesn't matter, we'll be speakin spanish in 10 or 11 years

PS: it's predicted that in 2016 America will be 52% hispanic and in 2020 there will be a hispanic president

[slipknotpsycho]

i'm not sure where i stand on this... but i definately see how if there were no illegal workers, that we'd suffer when it came to consumer prices, but i also hate how all these thuggish mexicans around here (i live right near the boarder) want to start shit with white people, just because we're white... a classic example is me walking down the street minding my own fucking buisness then anywhere between 4-8 mexicans spot me and start saying shit like "hey whiteboy, come here" which i don't, cuz i know they just want to fight, i have no desire to fight which then moves to more 'intimidation' and more 'white-boy' insults... ye aif those fuckers wanna come here, they better learn to come here, and be a normal fucking citizen, rather then showing how bad ass you are, which i don't think you are, if you have to have anyone else to 'show' how bad ass you are, then you're not bad ass you're just some little punk-pussy hybrid.

[tokinggreg]

Illegal immigrants employ jobs such as restaurants, lawn service, construction, agriculture, and hotels. Let's say business owners are punished for hiring illegal workers (getting paid 5-6). They all have to hire native-born or legal immigrants on the books which they pay (10-12, which actually costs 15-17/hr b/c of taxes the companies pay for each worker).

Now think about the hundreds of thousands of jobs, and see how they effect the the profits of ALL restaurants (pizza to steak joints), lawn service (cutting grass or removing trees), construction (of houses, businesses), agriculture (apples to avocados), and hotels (holiday in to the hyatt).... they all would have to pay over 10 dollars more for EACH worker, how do you think they will pay? higher prices to consumers!

We are shooting ourselves in the foot not letting them work here. Extreme inflation along with regular wages staying the same is bad news for everyone. Who is going to be happy when we cannot go one day without at least one product being produced or served by illegal immigrants, and now pay a much higher price for it while you're still making the same as last year.

It's a good argument, but I thought just to level the playing field I would offer some arguments from the other side of the table (I personally am not going to state which side I agree with)

1) Hiring illegal immigrants forces American (unskilled) workers out of jobs they could have potentially had. The gap you mentioned of $10 more for each worker is instead being doled out by the government in the form of unemployment insurance, so there are no extra expenses (in total). Yes, there are more expenses for restaurant owners but less for the government. Maybe a temporary solution would be a subsidy for restaurant owners? I don't know, I'm just giving some ideas.

2) Yes, prices will rise with the rising costs for the restaurant owners, and these costs will be bore by the consumers. But consider, less people start eating at restaurants because it becomes too expensive. Say now instead of eating out 4 times a week, they cut back to once a week and cook the other days (realize food prices haven't changed, just labor prices). Restaurants will be forced to cut their costs until the prices are cutthroat, and competition will drive down price not quite as low as it was before, but almost as much.

So in other words, the point in 2) that is being made is that consumers will bare minimal amounts of the cost, but owning a restaurant will be less profitable. This seems kind of gloomy, but as production rises, the market tends to ameliorate these kinds of problems. In the short term you would probably only see a change in the amount of diners and lower-end restaurants that are opening.

Now feel free to choose which side you agree with. I think both sides of the argument have their merits.

Best,
GC

[grinthenbearit]

In regards to that street fight taunt you were talking about you might be interested in this video clip of what looks like a broken neck for the looser.

This adult web site (21 and older only) KILLSOMETIME has a "felony fight" between two supposedly released convicted felons http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?ID=454

[xblackdogx]

2) Yes, prices will rise with the rising costs for the restaurant owners, and these costs will be bore by the consumers. But consider, less people start eating at restaurants because it becomes too expensive. Say now instead of eating out 4 times a week, they cut back to once a week and cook the other days (realize food prices haven't changed, just labor prices). Restaurants will be forced to cut their costs until the prices are cutthroat, and competition will drive down price not quite as low as it was before, but almost as much.

this would be a true statement, but you have to consider that food prices are going to be changing aswell [consider the farming jobs].

anyway, the end result of a shift in the supply of goods [b/c of rising costs] and will drive up the prices and they will stay at that price. the way to counteract this effect would be to raise money-wage rates [companies will pay ppl more, it will eventually work out... "the invisible hand type stuff"]...

so basically it will eventually work out to be essentially the same cost for things [income/prices ratio], but it will take awhile, and we will see the burden with very high inflation spikes in the meantime.

bottom line: this is a foolish thing to do, the economy is currently good and it will change

[xblackdogx]

I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS......GIVING CONVICTS FROM FORIEGN COUNTRIES A BETTER LIFE AS A ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE USA AT THE COST OF LOWER STANDARD OF LIVING FOR LEGAL RESIDENTS.

the MAJORITY of them are not convicts. once illegally getting into the country they fear doing things illegal b/c they will get arrested or deported [the workers].

FYI- America accepted hundreds of known convicts from Cuba in our recent history, yet we can't allow some hard working people