those opposing illegal immigration... consider this:

[xblackdogx]

Why don't you see that the way you feel is unrealistic? ...and I don't need a poser like you attempting to explain what my own posts meant to say okay? I am sure you know exactly what my post meant...and wow..out of all these great posts on this thread you want to debate mine? yay...do it right and stop trying to mislead and confuse from my original post (once again)...and why should they not learn english? Yes it is a shameful fact that the illegal parents are having to have their legal kids they have here in America read to them...about medicine...very sad and shameful do you think not? Considering that you are not American and in previous posts of yours you state that Americans are just stupid..I think you need to shut up now and let AMERICANS deal with this..okay..:thumbsup: And to be fair...they are not playing fair...I don't think any of the ones I have met and interacted with had any kind of immunization either..very unsafe for this Country.

When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME, this statement is true by your assumptions:
1. i am American [born and raised]
2. i did state "dumbass Americans like you" to a specific person, saying that his mentality is shared upon others and i would classify Americans like that the way i described above (to someone so condemning of not reading posts correctly, a stupid mistake by you)
3. you arent the only special one (cry if you want ), i responded to numerous ppl in this thread, but don't expect me to waste time on those with one liners... you obviously have a thoughtout opinion of this subject of MY thread, am i not allowed to debate it?
4. please explain how my view is unrealistic, when i backed it with facts along with history (which is what we base our policies on), while you continue to degrade it and post no actual counterpoints to any of my specific sentences.
later

[grinthenbearit]

ooooh another FLAME war!!!!!

[xblackdogx]

ooooh another FLAME war!!!!!

actually, no

[Shelbay]

When you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME, this statement is true by your assumptions:
1. i am American [born and raised]
2. i did state "dumbass Americans like you" to a specific person, saying that his mentality is shared upon others and i would classify Americans like that the way i described above (to someone so condemning of not reading posts correctly, a stupid mistake by you)
3. you arent the only special one (cry if you want ), i responded to numerous ppl in this thread, but don't expect me to waste time on those with one liners... you obviously have a thoughtout opinion of this subject of MY thread, am i not allowed to debate it?
4. please explain how my view is unrealistic, when i backed it with facts along with history (which is what we base our policies on), while you continue to degrade it and post no actual counterpoints to any of my specific sentences.
later

How do you expect to debate when you don't get the FACT that opinions,viewpoints etc...are neither right or wrong..when you blasted my original post by telling me I am wrong for my viewpoint (that I still stand by) then you have to assume you'll get that same mentality right back..and IF you are an American..show some pride and stop saying we are all stupid americans because of differing opinions. Illegal aliens have the right to march and protest what they deem a threat to their freedom..oh please..they need to start paying taxes...put some of their earnings back into the country they chose to enter illegally..be immunized..have documentation..(lets not forget what Castro did) and be required to speak english. This is america...we speak english as our primary language...why should we have to change our language for the hispanic culture..once again...this is America..not Mexico. Why would you say I am not the only special one..is that how you view me? Special? If you don't like my posts on YOUR thread..I am sure it being YOUR thread you know what to do where I can't post on YOUR thread anymore...if you want to debate..do it without the insinuations that differing opinions are wrong or unrealistic..its not nice being told how you feel is wrong is it? Now..once again..it is shameful that two adults have to be told how to give medication by their young son...not only is it shameful but it is also dangerous..this couple had 3 children..one on the way very soon it looked like..and they can't read intructions on a medicine bottle?! Which was just one example of where miscommunication can affect more than one person..how can you honestly condone them not learning english? What really irritated me about you is saying..if I don't like it move?? I don't think so..and that mentality makes no sense coming from an American supposedly born and raised in the good old U.S.A. if they don't like it here..take their butts back where THEY come from is my viewpoint on that.

[xblackdogx]

How do you expect to debate when you don't get the FACT that opinions,viewpoints etc...are neither right or wrong..when you blasted my original post by telling me I am wrong for my viewpoint (that I still stand by) then you have to assume you'll get that same mentality right back..and IF you are an American..show some pride and stop saying we are all stupid americans because of differing opinions. Illegal aliens have the right to march and protest what they deem a threat to their freedom..oh please..they need to start paying taxes...put some of their earnings back into the country they chose to enter illegally..be immunized..have documentation..(lets not forget what Castro did) and be required to speak english. This is america...we speak english as our primary language...why should we have to change our language for the hispanic culture..once again...this is America..not Mexico. Why would you say I am not the only special one..is that how you view me? Special? If you don't like my posts on YOUR thread..I am sure it being YOUR thread you know what to do where I can't post on YOUR thread anymore...if you want to debate..do it without the insinuations that differing opinions are wrong or unrealistic..its not nice being told how you feel is wrong is it? Now..once again..it is shameful that two adults have to be told how to give medication by their young son...not only is it shameful but it is also dangerous..this couple had 3 children..one on the way very soon it looked like..and they can't read intructions on a medicine bottle?! Which was just one example of where miscommunication can affect more than one person..how can you honestly condone them not learning english? What really irritated me about you is saying..if I don't like it move?? I don't think so..and that mentality makes no sense coming from an American supposedly born and raised in the good old U.S.A. if they don't like it here..take their butts back where THEY come from is my viewpoint on that.

1. when did tell you that you were wrong for a viewpoint? please re-read my first post directed towards you
2. how do you continue to misuse what i said about the dumb Americans? twisting around words on your part, much like Republicans.
3. and it was MY OPINION that "you should move" b/c i think it is an unrealistic expectation of making immigrants learn English. and i stand by what i said before that i do agree that they should learn it, but to FORCE it is unfair.
4. if you took enough time to check my previous posts, why don't you find where i claim i'm from (couple of weeks ago) if you don't believe me
5. and the word "special" was used sarcastically. essentially being derived from you saying your post is the only one i am contending when that is indeed untrue

[grinthenbearit]

consider this, illegal aliens are convicted criminals from south of the U.S. border.

They can't get a job worth $5/hour so they risk their lives by breaking more laws to come up to the USA.

The US doesn't need lawless tax dodging aliens......especially with all the deficit and terrorist problems we already have from other third world countries.

government won't even maintain proper sewers..is this a cultural thing??? im confused

I know mexico is only a 3rd or 2nd world country but come on....Everytime I've been to mexico the streets reeked of human waste....


what then when mexicans are no longer the USA minority and are in public office?

I know I wont stick around for that.....no way...canada europe...make way for me

smell ya later
Instead of the riot, walk outs bulls*itting on the web why don't they just make the area a better place to live?

[xblackdogx]

consider this, illegal aliens are convicted criminals from south of the U.S. border.

They can't get a job worth $5/hour so they risk their lives by breaking more laws to come up to the USA.

The US doesn't need lawless tax dodging aliens......especially with all the deficit and terrorist problems we already have from other third world countries.

I know mexico is only a 3rd or 2nd world country but come on....Everytime I've been to mexico the streets reeked of human waste....


what then when mexicans are no longer the USA minority and are in public office?

I know I wont stick around for that.....no way...canada europe...make way for me

smell ya later
Instead of the riot, walk outs bulls*itting on the web why don't they just make the area a better place to live?

how are they convicted criminals... the law they break by coming across the border is a misdeameanor:thumbsup:

"Immigrants contribute 7 billion in social security per year. they earn 240 billion, report 90 billion, and only are reimbursed 5 billion, "where are the 85 billion?" They also contribute to the U.S. economy 25 billion more than they receive in healthcare, etc., etc., etc."
they aren't as tax dodging as many may think

[Shelbay]

1. when did tell you that you were wrong for a viewpoint? please re-read my first post directed towards you
2. how do you continue to misuse what i said about the dumb Americans? twisting around words on your part, much like Republicans.
3. and it was MY OPINION that "you should move" b/c i think it is an unrealistic expectation of making immigrants learn English. and i stand by what i said before that i do agree that they should learn it, but to FORCE it is unfair.
4. if you took enough time to check my previous posts, why don't you find where i claim i'm from (couple of weeks ago) if you don't believe me
5. and the word "special" was used sarcastically. essentially being derived from you saying your post is the only one i am contending when that is indeed untrue

I think your the one that needs to read YOUR thread again..and your own posts. Also why make a civil debate into a dem/rep issue? Not sure which label i should be given on that one considering politics is not my forte...I of course have my opinion on certain issues..but I am not really that up on republican or democrat...I live by what I feel is right..not what the Government tells me no matter which party is in power at any given time....and they should be FORCED to learn english..how else can they contribute in a positive,legal manner without the basic skill of reading what doseage of medicine to give their own children? Looks like they are determined to FORCE their ways on true Americans and the legals here than just doing what they need to do in the first place....your good at asking the same questions and misleading with opinions that you call facts when in truth are not facts but a one sided view from you...and once again...they need to master the basics of english language..what is the problem with them learning? And if they refuse..then FORCE them back where they come from....they forced their way in this country so you shouldn't be offended when I say they should be required to learn english...this is the U.S.A....not Mexico..english is OUR primary language..learn it..know it...live it!:thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_official_languages
look through the list and see how many countries have 2-20+ OFFICIAL languages. i'm not even saying spanish should be an official language, all i am saying is that the US shouldn't force it.
and that is the only real reply i will give you... i concluded that you are dillusional or young

[Psycho4Bud]

they need to master the basics of english language..what is the problem with them learning? And if they refuse..then FORCE them back where they come from....they forced their way in this country so you shouldn't be offended when I say they should be required to learn english...this is the U.S.A....not Mexico..english is OUR primary language..learn it..know it...live it!:thumbsup:

Hell yes!!!

Have a good one!:thumbsup: