Explaining Drugs to a Non-user

[skarz]

Ok I need a little help. Me and a friend are always argueing about drugs, mainly hallucinogens. I talk about how much knowledge/wisdom/sprituality you can gain from them, but he doesn't really understand cause he's never used them. I'm trying to figure out how to explain how they can actually benefit you in these ways but i can't come up with the words. His argueing point is "Hey if you're hallucinating, how do you know you're actually gaining knowledge, isn't your mind just making it all up because it IS a hallucination"... So yea, how to explain the power of these drugs and how much you can learn from them too a non-user.

skarz Reviewed by skarz on 04-05-2006. Explaining Drugs to a Non-user Ok I need a little help. Me and a friend are always argueing about drugs, mainly hallucinogens. I talk about how much knowledge/wisdom/sprituality you can gain from them, but he doesn't really understand cause he's never used them. I'm trying to figure out how to explain how they can actually benefit you in these ways but i can't come up with the words. His argueing point is "Hey if you're hallucinating, how do you know you're actually gaining knowledge, isn't your mind just making it all up Rating: 5

[LIP]

Woah, i use weed to gain more wisdom about the world and nature around me, i use LSD and shrooms to have a trip.

They aint bad drugs, but they still aint the best (Cannabis)

[C4nn4Bliss]

well the fact that multiple people have had the same hallucinations kind of proves that its not something totally random. Its going to be hard to explain if he is a stubborn person and wont step out of his picture to view yours and his at the same time

[LIP]

I cant learn anything from a trip, apart from how much to take at one time, which i found out once lol

[C4nn4Bliss]

i say make some mushroom tea mix it with orange juice, store it in your fridge, get him fuckin baked to where he is incoherent and then offer him some delicious orange juice hahaha

after 20-30 mins start debating about hallucinogens

[hotpicklefart]

does he smoke herb??,,if so then he would know that even when you smoke you look into things with much more preception,,just explain to him that a harder drug is just going to affect that much more or,, you could tell him that many philosphers use shrooms for their profound sayings,,i do agree with you though you can defentiley see things from a different prespective which sometimes is a good thing and it's always a bitch when you go on a trip and never come home

[2toker]

you can tell your buddy that it had been observed there is a strong similarity to the "religious" experiences written about by prophets,saints so forth and the experiences you have on acid. there was a book written called the magic mushroom and the cross that takes actual personal descriptions of both religious and acid/mushroom/peyote/mescalin "enlightenments" and you cant help but notice how similar they are. but you are right, as one old acid head to another, he has nothing to compare it to. you have just have to be there to experience it!

[dion]

you can't force someone to see anything your way. just drop the debate after you state your facts. say "end of story, end of debate, I cant help you open your eyes if you force them shut." then drop it yourself, except for talking about an experience whenever you trip. curiosity will eventually set it if that person wants to delve into the world.

everyone's experiences with anything is entirely relative, and it makes sense that a drug that digs deep into your subconscious (think of religious indocrination - don't make that negative - you experienced as a child with your parents) will make you have a "religious or spiritual awakening"

however that is just my 2 cents

adios
Dion

[chronic boom]

well if he's interested may i suggest two books that will introduce you to the history and culture of these drugs.

The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley (this is what the The Doors named themselves after) is about discovering mescaline when it was legal and given to test patients in clinics. Huxley used it heavily himself and wrote theory that will completely blow your mind.
and...
The Electric Cool Aid Acid Test by Tom Woolfe follows the story of an award winning writer's journeys into the realm of LSD, also when it was still legal. This is where the hippy movement STARTED, no joke, these guys where the ORIGINALS!!!! (see also Timothy Leary

these drugs are defintely spiritual, but not like church (bull shit) spiritual, I mean like throwing your mind out into the ether spiritual. The only way to really understand is to do them.

[kracks]

you should read Fear in Loathing in Las Vegas- Hunter S Thompson, or show the film to your friend its quite good a pulling off an acid trip.