Passing around a packed lit bong before the collection basket at church...

[Oneironaut]

if youd stop being so literal

What am I supposed to do, take your words metaphorically?

youd get why i say its a waste between two men or two women....they will never have their OWN children....

Right, because in this overpopulated world, the thing we need is MORE CHILDREN! And what about priests? They don't have their own children either. Is priesthood therefore immoral?

theres a difference between the waste your talking about and the waste im talking about

What about bisexuals? Are they in the clear? What if a gay guy decides to bone a chick now and then to get on God's good side?

[C4nn4Bliss]

[QUOTE=Oneironaut]You're the one who said wasting sperm is wrong. Are you now saying that wasting sperm can be okay?

Once again your taking it too literal, sperm/egg will never be used the way it was meant to be used with homosexuals...ill get to that AI shit in a second

Sure there is. You can change your mind!

My mind is made, homosexuality goes against nature, i believe its wrong and i really dont think you should put so much weight on the "they were born that way" idea

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_insemination

So basically a female is being injected with sperm......If you were truely homosexual would you do this???? Any homos wanna chime in this?? This might apply for females but not for males, besides its another males sperm its not like its the lesbians partners sperm.....but i get what your saying they are still rasing the child....

Why is it not right? Because the Bible says it's not right? If that's the case, then why do you reject the part where it tells you to stone them? If not because of the Bible, then why not just accept queer people for the way they were born?

Dont jump to conclusions because youll fall straight on your face. I truely believe that its against nature....do you see animals that are homosexual??? So its something that just evolved??? I dont believe that they are born that way and there is absolutely no way to prove it so dont go there. I honestly could give a fuck but for the sake of argument ill argue it all day. Its wrong, it goes against nature, it goes against the way your body works....

I know that. I'm just saying, if you are a Christian and you believe in the Bible, then you can't pick and choose which parts you like. If you believe in the Bible, you believe gays should be stoned and wives should submit to their husbands. If you don't believe those things, you are admitting that the Bible is not reliable, and if it's not a reliable text, then why accept all the fanciful claims of talking snakes, worldwide floods, virgin births, walking on water, curing lepers, an invisible dictator of the universe, etc.?

If you were a christian who says you couldnt pick or choose parts??? I think its very ignorant to say that if you believe in the bible then you believe gays should be stones etc etc. Since you are so educated in biblical scripture would you care to explain the difference between the old testament and new testament and how they were written,when, and why there is such a large difference in the material??? Ive read most of the bible and to me its just a guideline on how to live, take what you can and leave the rest. The stories are metaphors and like i said you take things way too literal just for the sake of argument, which is quite annoying.

[C4nn4Bliss]

Ill have to admit my arguments are weak but IMO the argument that homosexuals are born that way or that people should be able to do whatever they want is as well weak. I wouldnt dare compare the right of homosexuals to the right of cannabis users...shame on you! Overall id have to say that i could really give a fuck on any given day but IN MY OPINION its wrong and IN MY OPINION is where it will stay. I would never vote for gay marriage rights nor would i ever fight for or defend a homosexual....end of story

[HiddenBeauty]

I'm not religious at all but I couldn't smoke in church I don't really know why it would just feel so wrong :stoned:


I really want to go to a gospel church they always look like they are on some really good drugs with their singing and clapping.I find our churches a little boring and depressing.

[Oneironaut]

Once again your taking it too literal, sperm/egg will never be used the way it was meant to be used with homosexuals...ill get to that AI shit in a second

So what? Who cares if they don't reproduce? Is it your business? Is it anybody's business but the people involved whether or not they want to have children?

My mind is made, homosexuality goes against nature,

Besides being observed among our closest biological relatives, the great apes (chimps, bonobos and gorillas), homosexual behavior has been observed among the following species:
Mammals
African Buffalo
African Elephant
Agile Wallaby
Amazon River Dolphin
American Bison
Aperea
Asian Elephant
Asiatic Mouflon
Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Australian Sea Lion
Barasingha
Barbary Sheep
Beluga
Bharal
Bighorn Sheep
Black Bear
Blackbuck
Black-footed Rock Wallaby
Black-tailed Deer
Bonnet Macaque
Boto
Bottlenose Dolphin
Bowhead Whale
Bridled Dolphin
Brown Bear
Brown Capuchin
Brown Long-eared Bat
Brown Rat
Caribou
Cat (domestic)
Cattle (domestic)
Cheetah
Collared Peccary
Commerson's Dolphin
Common Brushtail Possum
Common Dolphin
Common Marmoset
Common Pipistrelle
Common Raccoon
Common Tree Shrew
Cotton-top Tamarin
Crab-eating Macaque
Crested Black Macaque
Cui
Dall's Sheep
Daubenton's Bat
Dog (domestic)
Doria's Tree Kangaroo
Dugong
Dwarf Cavy
Dwarf Mongoose
Eastern Cottontail Rabbit
Eastern Gray Kangaroo
Elk
Euro
European Bison
Fallow Deer
False Killer Whale
Fat-tailed Dunnart
Fin Whale
Fox
Gelada Baboon
Giraffe
Goat (Domestic)
Golden Monkey
Grant's Gazelle
Gray-headed Flying Fox
Gray Seal
Gray Squirrel
Gray Whale
Gray Wolf
Grizzly Bear
Guinea Pig (Domestic)
Hamadryas Baboon
Hamster (Domestic)
Hanuman Langur
Harbor Porpoise
Harbor Seal
Himalayan Tahr
Hoary Marmot
Horse (domestic)
Human
Indian Fruit Bat
Indian Muntjac
Indian Rhinoceros
Japanese Macaque
Javelina
Kangaroo Rat
Killer Whale
Koala
Kob
Larga Seal
Least Chipmunk
Lechwe
Lesser Bushbaby
Lion
Lion-tailed Macaque
Lion Tamarin
Little Brown Bat
Livingstone's Fruit Bat
Long-eared Hedgehog
Long-footed Tree Shrew
Markhor
Marten
Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
Mohol Galago
Moor Macaque
Moose
Mountain Goat
Mountain Tree Shrew
Mountain Zebra
Mouse (domestic)
Moustached Tamarin
Mule Deer
Musk-ox
Natterer's Bat
New Zealand Sea Lion
Nilgiri Langur
Noctule
North American Porcupine
Northern Elephant Seal
Northern Fur Seal
Northern Quoll
Olympic Marmot
Orangutan
Orca
Pacific Striped Dolphin
Patas Monkey
Pere David's Deer
Pig (Domestic)
Pig-tailed Macaque
Plains Zebra
Polar Bear
Pretty-faced Wallaby
Proboscis Monkey
Pronghorn
Przewalski's Horse
Puku
Quokka
Rabbit
Raccoon Dog
Red Deer
Red Fox
Red Kangaroo
Red-necked Wallaby
Red Squirrel
Reeves's Muntjac
Reindeer
Rhesus Macaque
Right Whale
Rock Cavy
Rodrigues Fruit Bat
Roe Deer
Rufous Bettong
Rufous-naped Tamarin
Rufous Rat Kangaroo
Saddle-back Tamarin
Savanna Baboon
Sea Otter
Serotine Bat
Sheep (Domestic)
Siamang
Sika Deer
Slender Tree Shrew
Sooty Mangabey
Sperm Whale
Spinifex Hopping Mouse
Spinner Dolphin
Spotted Hyena
Spotted Seal
Squirrel Monkey
Striped Dolphin
Stuart's Marsupial Mouse
Stumptail Macaque
Swamp Deer
Swamp Wallaby
Takhi
Talapoin
Tammar Wallaby
Tasmanian Devil
Tasmanian Rat Kangaroo
Thinhorn Sheep
Thomson's Gazelle
Tiger
Tonkean Macaque
Tucuxi
Urial
Vampire Bat
Verreaux's Sifaka
Vervet
Vicuna
Walrus
Wapiti
Warthog
Waterbuck
Water Buffalo
Weeper Capuchin
Western Gray Kangaroo
West Indian Manatee
Whiptail Wallaby
White-faced Capuchin
White-fronted Capuchin
White-handed Gibbon
White-lipped Peccary
White-tailed Deer
Wild Cavy
Wild Goat
Wisent
Yello-footed Rock Wallaby
Yellow-toothed Cavy
Birds
Acorn Woodpecker
Adelie Penguin
Anna's Hummingbird
Australian Shelduck
Aztec Parakeet
Bangalese Finch (Domestic)
Bank Swallow
Barn Owl
Bicolored Antbird
Black-billed Magpie
Black-crowned Night Heron
Black-headed Gull
Black-rumped Flameback
Black Stilt
Black Swan
Black-winged Stilt
Blue-backed Manakin
Blue-bellied Roller
Blue Tit
Blue-winged Teal
Brown-headed Cowbird
Budgerigar (Domestic)
Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Calfbird
California Gull
Canada Goose
Canary-winged Parakeet
Caspian Tern
Cattle Egret
Chaffinch
Chicken (Domestic)
Chiloe Wigeon
Cliff Swallow
Common Gull
Common Murre
Common Shelduck
Crane spp.
Dusky Moorhen
Eastern Bluebird
Egyptian Goose
Elegant Parrot
Emu
European Jay
European Shag
Flamingo
Galah
Gentoo Penguin
Golden Bishop Bird
Golden Plover
Gray-breasted Jay
Gray-capped Social Weaver
Gray Heron
Grayling
Great Cormorant
Greater Bird of Paradise
Greater Rhea
Green Sandpiper
Greenshank
Greylag Goose
Griffon Vulture
Guianan Cock-of-the-Rock
Guillemot
Herring Gull
Hoary-headed Grebe
Hooded Warbler
House Sparrow
Humboldt Penguin
Ivory Gull
Jackdaw
Kestrel
King Penguin
Kittiwake
Laughing Gull
Laysan Albatross
Least Darter
Lesser Flamingo
Lesser Scaup Duck
Little Blue Heron
Little Egret
Long-tailed Hermit Hummingbird
Mallard
Masked Lovebird
Mealy Amazon Parrot
Mew Gull
Mexican Jay
Musk Duck
Mute Swan
Ocellated Antbird
Ocher-bellied Flycatcher
Orange Bishop Bird
Orange-footed Parakeet
Ornate Lorikeet
Ostrich
Oystercatcher
Peach-faced Lovebird
Pied Flycatcher
Pied Kingfisher
Pigeon (Domestic)
Powerful Owl
Purple Swamphen
Raggiana's Bird of Paradise
Raven
Razorbill
Red-backed Shrike
Red Bishop Bird
Red-faced Lovebird
Redshank
Red-shouldered Widowbird
Regent Bowerbird
Ring-billed Gull
Ring Dove
Rock Dove
Roseate Cockatoo
Roseate Tern
Rose-ringed Parakeet
Ruff
Ruffed Grouse
Sage Grouse
San Blas Jay
Sand Martin
Satin Bowerbird
Scarlet Ibis
Scottish Crossbill
Senegal Parrot
Sharp-tailed Sparrow
Silver Gull
Silvery Grebe
Snow Goose
Steller's Sea Eagle
Superb Lyrebird
Swallow-tailed Manakin
Tasmanian Native Hen
Tree Swallow
Trumpeter Swan
Turkey (Domestic)
Victoria's Riflebird
Wattled Starling
Western Gull
White-fronted Amazon Parrot
White Stork
Wood Duck
Yellow-backed (Chattering) Lorikeet
Yellow-rumped Cacique
Zebra Finch (Domestic)
Fish
Amazon Molly
Blackstripe Topminnow
Bluegill Sunfish
Char
Bitterling
Green swordtail
Guiana leaffish
Hammerhead
Houting Whitefish
Jewel Fish
Mouthbreeding Fish sp.
Salmon spp.
Southern platyfish
Ten-spined stickleback
Three-spined stickleback
Other vertebrates
Anole sp.
Appalachian Woodland Salamander
Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.
Black-spotted Frog
Broad-headed Skink
Checkered Whiptail Lizard
Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard
Common Ameiva
Common Garter Snake
Cuban Green Anole
Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard
Desert Tortoise
Fence Lizard
Five-lined Skink
Gopher (Pine) Snake
Green Anole
Inagua Curlytail Lizard
Jamaican Giant Anole
Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard
Largehead Anole
Mountain Dusky Salamander
Mourning Gecko
Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard
Red Diamond Rattlesnake
Red-tailed Skink
Side-blotched Lizard
Speckled Rattlesnake
Tengger Desert Toad
Water Moccasin
Western Rattlesnake
Western Banded Gecko
Whiptail Lizard spp.
Wood Turtle
Insects and other invertebrates
Acanthocephalan Worms
Alfalfa Weevil
Bean Weevil sp.
Bedbug and other Bug spp.
Blister Beetle spp.
Blowfly
Box Crab
Broadwinged Damselfly sp.
Cabbage (Small) White
Checkerspot Butterfly
Clubtail Dragonfly spp.
Cockroach spp.
Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.
Creeping Water Bug sp.
Digger Bee
Dragonfly spp.
Eastern Giant Ichneumon
Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer
Field Cricket sp.
Fruit Fly spp.
Glasswing Butterfly
Grape Berry Moth
Grape Borer
Green Lacewing
Harvest Spider sp.
Hawaiian Orb-Weaver
Hen Flea
House Fly
Ichneumon Wasp sp.
Incirrate Octopus spp.
Japanese Scarab Beetle
Jumping Spider sp.
Larch Bud Moth
Large Milkweed Bug
Large White
Long-legged Fly spp.
Mazarine Blue
Mediterranean Fruit Fly
Mexican White
Midge sp.
Migratory Locust
Mite sp.
Monarch Butterfly
Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.
Parsnip Leaf Miner
Pomace Fly
Prea
Queen Butterfly
Red Ant sp.
Red Flour Beetle
Reindeer Warble Fly
Rosechafer
Rove Beetle spp.
Scarab Beetle, Melolonthine
Screwworm Fly
Silkworm Moth
Sociable Weaver
Southeastern Blueberry Bee
Southern Green Stink Bug
Southern Masked Chafer
Southern One-Year Canegrub
Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.
Spruce Budworm Moth
Stable Fly sp.
Stag Beetle spp.
Tsetse Fly
Water Boatman Bug
Water Strider spp.

i believe its wrong and i really dont think you should put so much weight on the "they were born that way" idea

How seriously have you studied the scientific link between genetics and sexual orientation? Homosexuality is one of those wishy-washy areas of psychology where it doesn't appear to be entirely nature or nurture, but probably a combination of both. The point is, if there is some biological component to this, why should people be punished for that? Sexual orientation seems to be set by the time one reaches adolescence, and there is no real empirical evidence that it can be changed after that, even through therapy.

So basically a female is being injected with sperm......If you were truely homosexual would you do this???? Any homos wanna chime in this?? This might apply for females but not for males, besides its another males sperm its not like its the lesbians partners sperm.....but i get what your saying they are still rasing the child....

Well, my point is it's not impossible for homosexuals to have children if they so choose. And fortunately, in many places gays are even winning the right to adopt children as well.

Dont jump to conclusions because youll fall straight on your face. I truely believe that its against nature....do you see animals that are homosexual???

Yes!!!

So its something that just evolved???

The precise reason for homosexual behavior in the natural world is, as you may expect, hotly contested. However, it's there and there's no denying it.

I dont believe that they are born that way and there is absolutely no way to prove it so dont go there.

So you're basically saying there's no way to disprove your idea, that is to say your idea is non-falsifiable, i.e. unscientific.

I honestly could give a fuck but for the sake of argument ill argue it all day. Its wrong, it goes against nature, it goes against the way your body works....

What are you talking about? Homosexuals' bodies work just fine.

If you were a christian who says you couldnt pick or choose parts??? I think its very ignorant to say that if you believe in the bible then you believe gays should be stones etc etc.

I don't follow. If you are going to admit that the Bible is incorrect in some things, how can you just assume it's correct in other parts when it makes outrageous claims without backing them up with evidence? How can you trust anything in it if there is so much brutal, immoral bullshit? How can you turn to it for moral answers if it tells you to love your neighbor on one page and on another it says to stone him to death if he works on the Sabbath?

Since you are so educated in biblical scripture would you care to explain the difference between the old testament and new testament and how they were written,when, and why there is such a large difference in the material??? Ive read most of the bible and to me its just a guideline on how to live, take what you can and leave the rest. The stories are metaphors and like i said you take things way too literal just for the sake of argument, which is quite annoying.

Sure, there are some good moral stories like in any ancient mythology, but a lot of the stories are really horrible metaphors! They often promote things like slavery, incest, genocide, sexism, punishing people for the sins of their ancestors, etc. etc. etc.

Jesus had horrible bits of advice, such as telling slaves to bow down to tyrannical slave-owners instead of fighting for their freedom (1 Peter 2:18), telling wives to submit to their husbands in all affairs (Ephesians 5:22-24), promoting racist stereotypes (Titus 1:10-13), etc. I would recommend reading Emma Goldman's The Failure of Christianity for more on the flaws and absurdities in Christ's teachings.

[Shelbay]

Ill have to admit my arguments are weak but IMO the argument that homosexuals are born that way or that people should be able to do whatever they want is as well weak. I wouldnt dare compare the right of homosexuals to the right of cannabis users...shame on you! Overall id have to say that i could really give a fuck on any given day but IN MY OPINION its wrong and IN MY OPINION is where it will stay. I would never vote for gay marriage rights nor would i ever fight for or defend a homosexual....end of story

I have the same opinion as you on homosexuality...and I don't think you should be flamed for your belief..its like saying if you don't SUPPORT their way of life then you must hate them..I don't think so! Everyone should respect anyones beliefs as long as there is no physical harm going on..I have been through this before on this board...had to do with that movie bareback mountain..Flame me now because I believe that is a major problem now..men wanting to be women and women wanting to be men...no one knows their place anymore..and yes I believe a woman belongs at home...to keep the home going and together..thats MY belief.

[Oneironaut]

Ill have to admit my arguments are weak but IMO the argument that homosexuals are born that way or that people should be able to do whatever they want is as well weak.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT SO LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM ANOTHER PERSON! That is the definition of freedom, and I see no reason why society should tolerate anything less.

I wouldnt dare compare the right of homosexuals to the right of cannabis users...shame on you!

They are both victimless crimes that don't really hurt anybody. I fail to see why I should be ashamed of that analogy. It seems perfectly logical to me. But then again, religion severely inhibits one's sense of logic, so I guess I can see why you would object to something like that.

Overall id have to say that i could really give a fuck on any given day but IN MY OPINION its wrong and IN MY OPINION is where it will stay. I would never vote for gay marriage rights nor would i ever fight for or defend a homosexual....end of story

Well, have fun being a bigot. In my opinion, hating queers is just as bad as hating blacks or Jews, and I will never fight for or defend such intolerance.

[Zentetsuken]

Dude Oneironaut, cry harder buddy. What, are you a homosexual or something? You just wasted a good 20 minutes of your life or more searching for a huge ass list of facts and arguements against what this idiot is saying. Why do people go to such great lengths to try and convince a total stranger that they're wrong? Here's an idea, both of you shut the hell up and smoke some weed and stop arguing about something so ridiculous. People have different opinions, GET OVER IT.

[Oneironaut]

Dude Oneironaut, cry harder buddy. What, are you a homosexual or something?

No, but that's no reason why I should let queer-haters spurt out nonsense without a proper rebuttal.

You just wasted a good 20 minutes of your life or more searching for a huge ass list of facts and arguements against what this idiot is saying. Why do people go to such great lengths to try and convince a total stranger that they're wrong? Here's an idea, both of you shut the hell up and smoke some weed and stop arguing about something so ridiculous. People have different opinions, GET OVER IT.

I happen to think it is important to educate people about bigotry. I know most bigots will never change their minds, but hopefully third parties will be able to see unnecessary hateful bullcrap for what it is. There is a lot of hatred for queers out there, and I think it is important to speak my mind to do what I can to spread tolerance.

[Kitty Kat]

Hey grinthenbearit, I think any weed you wanna stick in there would be perfect...