be tolerant

[YES]

"The problem is the faiths themselves and the followers without enough free will to determine where to bend the rules"

Mole, i agree. What value is your faith if you dont question it and you accept it with no doubt. For a person like that needs to seriously consider their beliefs. I fight with my faith everyday but i just cant deny it. My head hurts.

Faith does not have to be the equivalent of fear. Do not fear your faith. Be willing to challenge it, for if you do not you dont have true faith.

Faith. . . meh.

[GHoSToKeR]

YES, believing in God does not make you a sucker at all. Your opinion that there is a god is just as valid as my opinion that there isn't one.

I also believe it to be just as true, in a way. By this i mean I don't believe that there is a man or woman sitting in heaven or wherever, who created the universe and is omnipotent and omniscient, and that is MY truth, but I do believe God exists in the mind of the people who believe in him, and that is YOUR truth. To you, there is a God. It's that simple. To me there isnt a God. It's that simple. I don't, and probably never will, know which one of us is right or wrong but I dont believe it matters. What matters is what us as individuals believe. God exists to you, and his presence may help you get along with your life. That's the important thing.

As far as an omnipotent, omniscient God who sits on his thrown in heaven and sends us to heaven or hell goes, I don't believe that. Simply because, in my opinion, it is just as believeable as saying Leprechauns or Unicorns or Big Foot exists. I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created.

As for the point in our existance, I don't know what it is. I believe that we don't have a 'reason for being here', we just are. There is no almighty goal that we must struggle towards. We create our own goals on the way, and seek out our own personal fullfillment It is different for each of us, and that is why i say God exists in you but not in me. You may see your faith as your reason for being here. I do not have that faith, but it doesn't mean my existence is any less important as yours, just that we are looking for fullfillment in different places and in different ways

[YES]

Sorry for three in a row but i just thought of something.

Its hard for some people to be tolerant of others beliefs because they are insecure with their own beliefs. I mean think about it. They spend so much time and devotion on their religion that when someone questions it they go immediatly into defense mode.

I once knew a Evolution Professor who told me even if there was proof that Gid did create the earth he couldnt believe it because he spent almost hes whole life devoted to evolution. Even if ther were hard facts that disproved evolution he couldnt believe it because that would mean he life was wasted. I dont think his life would be wasted.


If he found the truth. But what is the truth.

Everything seems slowmotion.

But just live your life. I wish it was that easy.

Some people are just drones. They live their life beliveing everyhitng they were taught never questioning for themselves. That my friends, is a waste.

And i conclude with,

"Tis better to have said nothing and be thought a fool, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

That had nothing to do with the pint. Sorry for the long post that didnt make much sense.

[GHoSToKeR]

YES, believing in God does not make you a sucker at all. Your opinion that there is a god is just as valid as my opinion that there isn't one.

I also believe it to be just as true, in a way. By this i mean I don't believe that there is a man or woman sitting in heaven or wherever, who created the universe and is omnipotent and omniscient, and that is MY truth, but I do believe God exists in the mind of the people who believe in him, and that is YOUR truth. To you, there is a God. It's that simple. To me there isnt a God. It's that simple. I don't, and probably never will, know which one of us is right or wrong but I dont believe it matters. What matters is what us as individuals believe. God exists to you, and his presence may help you get along with your life. That's the important thing.

As far as an omnipotent, omniscient God who sits on his thrown in heaven and sends us to heaven or hell goes, I don't believe that. Simply because, in my opinion, it is just as believeable as saying Leprechauns or Unicorns or Big Foot exists. I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created.

As for the point in our existance, I don't know what it is. I believe that we don't have a 'reason for being here', we just are. There is no almighty goal that we must struggle towards. We create our own goals on the way, and seek out our own personal fullfillment It is different for each of us, and that is why i say God exists in you but not in me. You may see your faith as your reason for being here. I do not have that faith, but it doesn't mean my existence is any less important as yours, just that we are looking for fullfillment in different places and in different ways

[YES]

Wow Ghostoker, you are one intellectual guy. Even though we dont agree on religion i have found someone who has put thought into this. Wow. I like you my friend.

" I haven't seen any proof, nobody has, therefore i do not believe it until i see some proof I dont, I CANT have faith in something that I believe someone else has created."

That is the boundary that the human mind must break free of. Faith, its all about faith. Some people have it and others dont. But its not that simple.

This world doesnt exist, it doesnt.

[GHoSToKeR]

Some people are just drones. They live their life beliveing everyhitng they were taught never questioning for themselves. That my friends, is a waste.

Exactly!! Spirituality and religion are not the same, but what with organized religion, they have almost become confused with eachother! To believe in something, to have faith, does not mean that you are right and people who think differently are wrong, which is what religion teaches us to believe!

Logic is a funny thing, because two people can logically look at the same situation and come to different conclusion, each thinking the other to be wrong. That is what religions do, they also promote anomosity, hate, fear, they cause divides and splits between groups of people, between families and friends. If we were to throw away the shackles of organized religion and all believed what we want to believe, and consider others opinions just as valid as our own opinions, then the world will be a much better place!! thats how i see it anyway, but hey, im just 17, what do i know!? lol

[GHoSToKeR]

Even though we dont agree on religion i have found someone who has put thought into this. Wow. I like you my friend.

Hey, who said we have to agree!?!? lol

[YES]

Im really tired, we should continue this some day in chat or something.

You have impressed me, alot.

Let me ask you this. Do you think you see the world as it truly is?

Goodnight all.

[GHoSToKeR]

"do you see the world as it truly is?"

thats a tough question.. if you mean can i look at the world objectively, then no. Everything i see is seen subjectively. The way i percieve people, places, things, time, space, anything, is personal to me. I have my own opinions and therefore view things differently to everyone else.

im not sure if you mean "do you see the world as it exists" or "do u see the world the same as everybody else" though. If you mean the first question, then I do not know, because everyones interpritation of events and things is different, so what can i compare my interpritation of them to? If you mean the second question, then like i said at the beginning of this post, no, I don't.

Anyway, we can continue this some other day coz im fuckin knackered too

peace man

[KillaBuzz]

well if yah want my oppinion on this go to the spirituality thread an read "if god were real wood he want us smokin weed". an example ov how pissed i get when ppl r idiotz.
PeAcE