100% Proof About 9/11

[Pete Rock]

Ok lets say the government did stage the attacks. I just want to know what their motive was if they did. What good reason would the government have for staging 9/11?

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I agree that Bush and his cronies unfairly took advantage of this tragedy, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actually orchestrated it. They're successful capitalists, which means they know how to think on their toes and take advantage of any opportunity to make money. And they're successful politicians, which means they also know how to take advantage of any opportunity to make more power. The people who are best at money-grubbing and power-grubbing end up with the most money and power. That's how the people at the top of the ladder got there. You can't seriously expect them to act otherwise once they've reached the top.

Do a little thought experiment: say Bush didn't orchestrate the 9/11 attacks. Assume for a moment that it was really Islamic fundamentalists behind it. What do you think Bush would have done differently? Would he not use it as an excuse to restrict civil liberties? Would he not try to scapegoat some oil-rich countries to invade them? Would he not try to maximize profits for Halliburton in his activities? The fact that he's taking advantage of the situation doesn't mean he's solely responsible for it. It just means he's a selfish opportunistic capitalist asshole.

This answers your question too, PeteRock. However, before you read this, read my last posts for the "full story".

Bush didn't orchestrate the attacks. Someone much more powerful than Bush did? Much more powerful than Bush you say. Of course.

Just look at his face when he heard about the planes crashing into the building. It's like a monkey who just found out his favorite tree got knocked down. He's not smart enough to plan the attack, nor is he smart enough to cover it up. Somebody, somewhere, wanted something.

I get your point, really I do. For a while I tried to convince myself that it wasn't the government either, since it does seem really crazy to say it was. There's a lot of things more powerful than the government, though, which brings me back to Big Business. We haven't had another attack since then, even though we bombed the hell outta two countries, we've been kept in a state of constant fear with the terror alert system, our basic freedoms are being taken away by something labeled a "Patriot" Act, I mean the list just goes on and on. Sure, they could have seen 9/11 as an opportunity to take away our basic freedoms, but it's just more plausible to me that it was planned.

[xblackdogx]

Ok lets say the government did stage the attacks. I just want to know what their motive was if they did. What good reason would the government have for staging 9/11?

hmm.. motives... they as top officials have goals for our country... one major goal is to be a superpower, especially militarily. Their ideas aren't supported by all, so this is basically sythetic terrorism which caused fear upon the nation. with doing so, we will be more acceptable of their plans (stated in The Project for New American Century) and also pass stuff like the Patriot Act (gives them an enormous amount of power, and eliminates the checks and balance system we are based on, especially when dealing with persecuting detainees of wartime)
the link to new american century is in a post above

[king kong bong]

This answers your question too, PeteRock. However, before you read this, read my last posts for the "full story".

Bush didn't orchestrate the attacks. Someone much more powerful than Bush did? Much more powerful than Bush you say. Of course.

Just look at his face when he heard about the planes crashing into the building. It's like a monkey who just found out his favorite tree got knocked down. He's not smart enough to plan the attack, nor is he smart enough to cover it up. Somebody, somewhere, wanted something.

I get your point, really I do. For a while I tried to convince myself that it wasn't the government either, since it does seem really crazy to say it was. There's a lot of things more powerful than the government, though, which brings me back to Big Business. We haven't had another attack since then, even though we bombed the hell outta two countries, we've been kept in a state of constant fear with the terror alert system, our basic freedoms are being taken away by something labeled a "Patriot" Act, I mean the list just goes on and on. Sure, they could have seen 9/11 as an opportunity to take away our basic freedoms, but it's just more plausible to me that it was planned.

true. also you can tell a professional inside job bombing from an amateur bombing. amateur bombings always bomb something little like a bus and there is no evidence as opposed to a prof. inside bombing where the fbi always finds all these pieces of evidence. basically amateur bombings are always sloppy.

[Swizzy89304]

look at wtc7, the building that was never hit by anything still collapsed, someone please explain that.....

Maybe, just maybe, the force of the Twin Towers collapsing onto a concrete floor made the surrounding area shake just a little, so that surrounding buildings were damaged or destroyed?
I really dont know what the fuss is about. Sure, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings might be inside jobs, but will getting rid of the current government make all these problems disappear? For a few years, maybe. But then another government is gonna come into power, and someone inside will be corrupt, and the same things will happen again.
Just fuck it. If its gonna happen, its gonna happen, and theres not a damn thing we can do about it.

[C4nn4Bliss]

Maybe, just maybe, the force of the Twin Towers collapsing onto a concrete floor made the surrounding area shake just a little, so that surrounding buildings were damaged or destroyed?
I really dont know what the fuss is about. Sure, the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings might be inside jobs, but will getting rid of the current government make all these problems disappear? For a few years, maybe. But then another government is gonna come into power, and someone inside will be corrupt, and the same things will happen again.
Just fuck it. If its gonna happen, its gonna happen, and theres not a damn thing we can do about it.

owner of WTC7 admitted it was "pulled" on PBS or another station

by the way....great additude :error:

basically your saying to just bend over....:thumbsup:

[Tmar.aLL.DaYmar]

g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

[knocks]

Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

Then go ahead and prove this entire theory wrong......more than just the "steal" beams and 70% stuff that you mentioned....

Or, maybe this isn't one of those "stupidass conspiracy" theories, after all. :rasta:

What is it about this thread that you hate so much? That the people referring to "Loose Change" pretend to be experts? Or that you just don't believe how strong steel is?

I admit, I think a lot of the conspiracies I've read are complete BS...but there are also some things that make you wonder. And, there are a lot of FACTS that these conspiracies are based on that have yet to be disputed. If everything happened like you think it did, why are there these holes?And if the government knows that all of these holes exist, why don't they fill in these holes and answer the questions that they know are being asked?

I, personally don't have any stance about this 9/11 stuff, but don't hate on these dudes for having theirs. That's the whole reason we're supposedly fighting this war, right? America would be a sh!tty place if everyone was lazy, didn't question anything, and simply said stuff like "fuck it, there's no point" or "if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen."

Peace.

[mfactor420]

g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

I guess you'd better go kill yourself because this debate aint going away, just like the debate about whether God exists and whether there was a big bang or evolution. Get over it! :thumbsup:

[xblackdogx]

g*d damnit everyone quit being so fucking retarded. The pointless shit thats being said from both sides of this debate is so g*ddamn ignorant i want to fucking kill myself.

As for people who think that the US Government wouldnt kill their own citizens for a political, economical or financial advantages get your fucking head out of your ass. This isnt a fucking disney movie for christ sakes. I would give some examples, but if your really disillusioned enough to think that our country is lead by morality instead of greed then theres no fucking point.

And as for all you people who watch "loose change" and think your an expert on 9/11, do your own g*ddamn research. holy fuck your no better than the people who blindly listen to the government. Ive seen alot of stupidass conspiracy theories which can easily be proven wrong.

OK FINE! steal beams melt at fuckedy-ass degrees, and jet fuel burns at a lower temperature. well did you ever think that a steal beam doesnt have to fucking melt in order for thousands of pounds of concrete to cause it to break? At jet fuel's max temp, a steal beam loses 70% of its integrity. Does that sound probable now?

sick of these clone threads..

The way you put it, does make it PROBABLE that the steal beam losess 70% of its intergrity but: if you watch the crashes, collapses you can barely see any fires, given there are alot of fires in the building but not as much to make it lose 70 % of its integrity.
Below is a picture that shows a building losing its integrity due to fire. The WTC only stood after impact for under 1hr 20 min The picture below is around 10 hours!