ive grown with soil, but i have 1300.00 to spend and am going to just get one of these turnkeys, ive looked into it, talked to the tech supports, learned alot and am just gonna buy one so ill let ya know how it goes with a post in this once i start it, and you can see. i know there spendy, but hey i want something i can turn on and grow, i have knowledge of growing, and know theres alot of extra baggage with keeping up the crop but i just want to do hydrop and be simple about it as possible. im going with a 8 plant hydro system, with co2 and a 2 200watt hps . i am going with 8 plants of fermized seeds (4 nycd and 4 cage) from the hemp depot. so wish me luck, im hoping to get 6 ounces per plant of nice hydro nycdc!!!!!!