Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Didn't you read anything I wrote? I don't believe murdering innocent people is going to overthrow the establishment. Nor do I believe that Charles Manson is a revolutionary or anything close to it.

All I said in that post was that violence is necessary in political revolutions. If you want to debate that fact, well, provide me with an example of a bloodless political revolution. It doesn't happen, because the oppressors really want to hold on to what they have, and sometimes you have to behead the king.
You are saying that in order to have a revolution there needs to be blood shed because thats how its been in the past. One significant thing history tells us is to not repeat its tragedies. Guns do not do anything but kill people. Now you tell me, if you wanted to start a revolution with guns galore...how long would you last? Especially against the government? The civilians are extremely underpowered. Dont you see what is happening? People think war is the answer to getting what they want, but there are other ways. If you start a war and shoot the enemy, they will just come shoot back, and it will keep going untill everyone is dead. Its sad to think that people need to kill another in order to gain something. If you have that state of mind, you are only supporting the wars that have been fought, and the war thats being fought right now. Nowadays, we can not afford to FIGHT, we need to focus on surviving! Because this whole fucking planet is going to shit! and if we keep having a fighting mentality, sooner or later there will be nothing left, and we'll be fighting with sticks and stones.