Charles Manson....

[Oneironaut]

Remember that South Park episode with Charlie Manson? In the end he got his swastika replaced with a smiley face. Hahahaha....

[Euphoric]

How can Carles Manson be called a revolutionary? What was his plan for the revolution? What socio-economic system was he aiming for after the revolution? Besides, just being a revolutionary does not make your cause a good one. Remember, Stalin and Pol Pot were revolutionaries.

Charles Manson believed that the Biblical apocalypse was imminent. This is enough to discount any revolutionary potential in him. Ignoring for now the fact that religion is always a reactionary and anti-revolutionary power, if you believe the end of the world is coming, there's no point in forcefully overthrowing the current social structure. If the fate of humanity is in God's hands, then there's no point in taking it into your own hands (i.e. starting a revolution).

Also, it seems his vision of a "revolution" was a race war larger than any war in history. How ridiculous is that? Sure, there is still plenty of racial tension in the world but I think we can all agree that racism is on the decline and is way less influential on people than it was 25 or 50 or 100 years ago. The world is becoming more and more tolerant, not less.

And any revolution worth fighting will not be a racist one. I'm not going to be getting behind the barricades with the white supremacists just because they're the same color as me. Most real revolutionaries (i.e. communists and anarchists) don't believe in racism, but rather think that the ultimate goal of revolution is an egalitarian society, which includes racial egalitarianism.

When the revolution comes, revolutionaries of all colors will have to band their efforts to collectively overthrow the establishment. If the working class is divided amongst itself, how can it make any real change to the system? How can capitalism and government be done away with if the races are all fighting each other instead of their oppressors? That would make it real easy for the army to just step in and crush the revolution.

Fuck Manson. Long live the revolution.

Wow, nicely written! I disagree with it but i can respect a well crafted post.

Charlie has some great ideas on social reform, i like his enviromental skew on things. :thumbsup: He appears to have attempted eugenics on the media. Hey that seems like a good idea to me..futile, but honorable.

Im not a racist and i dont know about his pimping activities..eh

It's not fair charlie is in jail and bush is in top office. Id much rather have a LSD loving tree hugging mass murderer in office than a christian coke addict mass murderer

I think he is a misguided genius and victim of the drug war.

[suhl]

the war on drugs wasnt big at all when manson killed those people. get a clue

[Jeff Spicoli]

Euphoric, please don't be stupid. read what you just wrote:
"Id much rather have a LSD loving tree hugging mass murderer in office than a christian coke addict mass murderer"
please don't say blatantly stupid stuff like that. It is fair Manson is in jail for OBVIOUS FUCKING REASONS.

[king kong bong]

charles manson was a smart man, and i think he had reason behind his doings.

i agree. he was a genius at manipulating people. you people keep saying how he brainwashed and manipulated people, so what. if those people were so weak minded to let it happen, so be it, its their own fault. im just curious, how many actually read up on this?

[Oneironaut]

i agree. he was a genius at manipulating people. you people keep saying how he brainwashed and manipulated people, so what. if those people were so weak minded to let it happen, so be it, its their own fault.

That's what the executors of the Holocaust said at the Nuremburg trials. "We were just following orders."

[king kong bong]

everyone has a choice. if they didnt wanna go through with it perhaps they woulda been knocked off but they still had a choice.

[Jimmicrackedcorn]

I think you're missing the point, if you are goin to go balls out, 'I am the KING OF THE WOOOOOOORLD, the apocolypse is coming, all the wars which have ever happened in history are goin to be PILED on top of eachother, and I the great Charles Willis Manson am the ultimate benificiary, follow me, and my ideas on social reform, for it is I, who will stand victorious, when the imminent global race war comes in to play' Then you do what Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin did, you turn a country in to your pawn, millions upon millions of people brainwashed, to ure way of thinking, through tactical propoganda, and then declare war on other countries and peoples if they disagree. You don't get let out of prison against your own will, then decide for the hell of it to recruit a family of at least 100's (wow thats a lot) with only 30 ''hardcore'' members, then get those members to carry out murders on a few famous people, was he gonna turn the tate and Labianca houses in to Manson forts and eugenics camp inc.? and carry out extensive eugenics there, one famous person at a time, the reason you are praising this man as a genius is ridiculous, if you are going to like a mass murdering fuckhead, why not the ones that really did pull the wool over the masses eyes, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin. If Manson is a genious, but Bush a fuckhead, why?

Regardless of what you say of Bush, he got in to office not once but twice (rather dodgily may I add), got the majority of the public to go with him in the war against Iraq, including England, Australia and a few other countries, the whole conspiracy shit with WTC (which if Bush didn't do it, the afghans deserve a fucking medal for professional demolition and stealth) the war on drugs and propoganda, plus the sheer amount of bullshit and mistakes the man has made in speeches, and he's still up there smiling away, and will probs get in again next elections........

Charlie, brainwashed at least 30 people, then went to two houses (coincidentally one of them being where manson tried to get a contract for a music deal signed, but failed), and ordered a team of 4/5, to kill about 6/7people, with no motive, then he got caught. How do you go about preparing for imminent armageddon? Charlies answer......You form a 30 strong team who are mostly women, to commit homicide on ure orders, to take on the world, then you kill famous people for the cause.........shit I do see what you mean, if only we had more people like him, with similar ideas and plans of action in society, the world wouldn't be as fucked.

If you're liking him for the reasons you are stating: Admiration of the ability of manipulating other people, the course of action he had taken in tryin to reform society, then he is a great failure. I can understand you hating him, I could understand you not forming an opinion, and saying 'hey man, people do wierd shit' but to say you like him and admire him, I ask you again for what and why? And could you supply me with the logic behind why you think its good, I really want to know, I had a friend who praised Osama for the attacks on WTC, and he would never go past 'I think he is a good man' and 'America is bad' I tried to explain to him he hadn't really changed anything in America, and killed a few thousand people (which isn't a lot for serious declaration of war), so even if you don't think the attacks are particularly that bad in comparison to what america has done in the past, why would you praise either?

Always sounded like he just wanted an opinion that was different, becuz if you follow the logic behind praising Osama, or Manson, or others that have tried to overthrow the government, why would you be on either side of the fence? Its the same basic idea.

[C4nn4Bliss]

Lie - Charles Manson is a murderer. The assumption that Charles Manson is some kind of murderer has been so widely and blindly accepted that many people regard is as a fundamental truth. Manson's picture graces the covers of numerous books on mass murder. Media interviewers assume that he is a killer. (Geraldo to CM: "You're a mass-murdering dog.") Yet Manson has never killed anyone. The prosecution never claimed that he killed any of the persons for whose murders he was convicted (He was never present at the Tate residence; he left the LaBianca residence before anyone was killed; he was not present when either Gary Hinman or Shorty Shea was killed.). And aside from some wholly unsubstantiated rumors (e.g. that he shot someone in the head with a .45 in Death Valley) there is no evidence that he ever killed anyone in a murder that he wasn't charged with.
http://www.atwa.info/lies.htm

What he does through others, he is in reality doing himself.

[king kong bong]

Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, these dudes were puppets.

If you're liking him for the reasons you are stating: Admiration of the ability of manipulating other people, the course of action he had taken in tryin to reform society, then he is a great failure.

to understand humans to the point that you can get them to do whatever you want, i admire him for that and also his views on society like people worshipping celebrities and shit and also people afraid to be themselves. but im not too big on the religion part and i doubt he was either. i think he just used it as part of his manipulation tactics.