Quote Originally Posted by HMD
I have learnt to orgasm just by thinking..lol...honest...but now I have experienced that I want to do it more and more.
I know a couple of people who can do that. I know a girl who had an orgasm the first time she tried ganja, without any touching or anything. Also somebody who I go to college with who can "meditate herself to orgasm", she's a tantric buddhist and that is one of the tantric sexual practices. I don't know a lot about it except that I'm pretty sure it's only women who can do it unfortunately for us guys... I think it's WONDERFUL that you can do it, though.

I love to meditate when stoned, I think it's one of the best uses for it :rasta: Especially with music, as you said, I like live jam music where you can feel the energy of creation happening at each moment. If you are into spiritual uses for pot, I recommend going for a walk in a beautiful place if you live near one, listening to the birds, sitting down by a waterfall to watch the flow of life happening. A christian would probably say you are seeing the glory of God in everything that exists in nature. I am not a christian but I definitely experience that as the mystery of life appearing at each moment when you're open to it. I think that all religions point to the same thing, and that we're experiencing the same thing through spiritual practice whether we call it God or not....

To answer the original question of the thread, I think most believers these days don't think very long and hard about their faith (yes I would make that statement). They CAN'T think too hard about it because it doesn't fit in with the rest of the impulses coming at them from everywhere else in modern life, and because they would realize that (rationally, at least) faith is a paradox and God is an impossibility that we can't give any good justification for believing in----thus they only believe half-heartedly and with less devotion in order to keep going through life with that unquestioning status. I think most of them are only half-hearted christians because of
1) The problems of institutionalized Christianity, which are many, and
2) Deep down they are confused and don't know what to believe
...Although they may not want to admit it.

Atheists on the other hand are more "passionate" about what they (dis)believe because they are having a REACTION to the absurdity of institutional fundamentalism (as someone else here suggested, they got burned by it) and to the absurdity of everyone blindly believing something they have no reason to believe. So they are angry and frustrated with religion because they just see it as a mass delusion.

This is how I used to feel, but now I have softened my attitude a little bit (although I am still an atheist, of sorts). It's just that now I've realized that everything you say is only good/"true" as far as it goes to get somebody out of a habitual belief pattern. People get "stuck" in their beliefs, which I think makes them miss out on a lot of possibilities in experiencing life from different perspectives. So having a strong reaction AGAINST faith is just as bad as following a religion really blindly and unquestioningly, if you're an atheist who thinks he really "knows" the truth. Honestly I think we have to admit that no one knows. Right now I am leaning more towards a Hindu conception of God as EVERYTHING, as being the great mystery of everything that exists and everything we all think about it, all wrapped up into one great "thing" that isn't Creator or Judger or Consciousness but just IS...

I think it's better to have "devotion" towards an attitude of experiencing life as an incomprehnsible mystery.:stoned: