Anybody see this fundamentalist movement on cnn?

[mont974x4]

because it isn't ok to be gay it's just that man doesn't exact justice...God does. That applies to all sin btw. We may suffer consequences, such as getting an STD when cheating on our spouse or getting punished in accordance with our legal system for breaking a law but final judgment is for God. That does not mean I can pretend that it's ok to commit sin...and that includes any sin.

[mrdevious]

It's interesting how all these "Holy" texts, whether it be for christianity, Islam, Judaism, or whatever, just happen to preach morals which conveniently coincide with the society from which they came. In my humble opinion, people should stop undoubtedly believing some man-made book is from the direct words of god. Islam says women should cover their faces, but where is the logic in that? The christian god says we have to kill homosexuals or anybody who commits sodomy, but there isn't a single piece of logic in why sticking your dick in somebody's asshole for mutual pleasure is a bad thing. No harm ever came to anybody, other than the participants, for having ass sex. It's affected our society in no way except for those who cling to biblical scriptures that tell them it's wrong. The so called "words of god" are obviously the words of man, who based "god's" morals on their own morals.

[Oneironaut]

because it isn't ok to be gay it's just that man doesn't exact justice...God does. That applies to all sin btw. We may suffer consequences, such as getting an STD when cheating on our spouse or getting punished in accordance with our legal system for breaking a law but final judgment is for God. That does not mean I can pretend that it's ok to commit sin...and that includes any sin.

Being gay is not something you can consciously control. Pretty much the whole psychological community agrees that sexual orientation is not a choice but an inborn trait. For instance, certain proportions of chemicals in the womb have been statistically connected to the sexual orientation of the baby. And studies of these "therapists" who try to turn gay people straight have provided no objective evidence that the idea works. Should people be judged sinners for the proportions of chemicals that were in their mother's womb before they were born, or for their genetic makeup? It is no more justifiable than calling being black a sin, or being a woman, or having a birth defect.

[mont974x4]

I believe those asertions have been proven false, although I don't recall where I read them at the moment. That being said, for the sake of discussion, I will go along with the claim. Assuming that people are simply born gay or with a predisposition to be gay then I would assert that the person can still choose to not give into it, much the same as many beleive alcoholism can be concidered hereditary a person can choose to live diferently. That, of course, is leaving God out of the equation.

[Oneironaut]

I believe those asertions have been proven false, although I don't recall where I read them at the moment.

I have to say, I'm not convinced. I think I'll go with the psychological community's overwhelming consensus over the word of a layman who says he read something but can't remember where.

That being said, for the sake of discussion, I will go along with the claim. Assuming that people are simply born gay or with a predisposition to be gay then I would assert that the person can still choose to not give into it, much the same as many beleive alcoholism can be concidered hereditary a person can choose to live diferently. That, of course, is leaving God out of the equation.

Yes, God does kind of screw up the equation, huh? I mean, why would an all-loving being infuse certain people with an inborn drive to commit a sin and then force them to overcome their nature? Why would an all-loving God make a form of love a sin in the first place? You'd think an all-loving being would refrain from punishing people just because they practice a different kind of love. But that's just me and my logic. You of course are free to hold onto your absolute faith in the bigoted superstitious absurdities said by past generations, as long as you don't try to force that bigotry on others.

[Oneironaut]

By the way, where do you get this idea that Christians aren't bound by Mosaic law? Jesus said very clearly that the Old Testament law cannot change "one jot or one tittle":

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[mont974x4]

Not once did I say the God screwed it up. lol Besides, God did not give us sin, man did with the fall of Adam and Eve.

A Christian is not bound to the civil or cermonial law of the Old Testament. Jesus fullfilled the law as the ultimate scarifice. However, the underlying principles do still apply.

[MoonStarer420]

What about mutations and shit? There's a lot of problems with organic systems especially DNA. Does god have a reason for these or does he get sick pleasure out of 8 legged frogs and disordered babies?

[mont974x4]

Nope, that's due to sin as I mentioned re: Adam and Eve

[MoonStarer420]

I thought it had to do with radiation and cosmic rays.Seriously though, frogs have sinned?