US launches major Iraq air attack

[Zinnia]

Fair enough. Do you think the Bush policies are really to blame

For the actions in Iraq, yes. Iraq had never attacked the US or showed any interest in attacking the US.

or do you consider the failings of almost every president going back to, say, Carter shares in the blame?

I think Clinton helped in the Iraq matter, yes, but I don't think I would go back as far as Carter. Carter did his own dealings, as all presidents do.

[Zinnia]

shhh we don't like real facts around here. LOL

Wow, and I thought that we could agree to disagree without attacking the integrity and beliefs of others.

I respect your opinion and would fight for the right for you to have it.

[mont974x4]

Actually Bush 1 failed in not ousting Saddam when he had the chance. I understand in order to build his coalition he had to agree to stop short of that. That also meant we had to break promises and agreements made with those in Iraq that would have fought to overthrow Saddam after the Gulf War. Clinton failed to act when he was offered Bin Laden (if I recall correctly we were attacked most often on his watch by Bin Laden) and he let Saddam attack us daily. Carter's part was in his dealing with Iran specifically and Muslism extremists in general. I think he meant well but he was misguided. IMO

Of course, I also think of the Iraq issue as just a part of the War on Terror. Saddam was a terrorist, of that, there is no doubt.

We could also look at it as its own issue. I think those of us that see a wrong and have the power to change it also have a responsibility to take action. Such as we did in Bosnia and Kosovo (where I myself served). Taking a cue from the Dem's and thinking of us as a global community and relating it closer to home. If I know my neighbor is molesting his kids the I have a responsibility to help. I start with peaceful ways and try to get other people involved but in the end if no one else is willing to help I still must do whatever I can. We did this in Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo, and other places. Part of the problem in Iraq is the UN food for oil scandal and our supposed allies unwillingness to back up their own resolutions. Remember it wasn't our job to prove Saddam had WMD but the burden of proof was on him to show that he didn't. The blame is his and his alone. IMO

[mont974x4]

Wow, and I thought that we could agree to disagree without attacking the integrity and beliefs of others.

I respect your opinion and would fight for the right for you to have it.

Sorry, it was a tongue in cheek comment not meant to be a direct personal attack on anyone. I apologize for any misunderstanding.

[Great Spirit]

Your misinterpretation and misunderstanding of facts and history and your hate never cease to surprise me.

I only show hatred to the people who make this a shitty world. What I say is true. If you don't like it...too bad. Just wait for that war with Iran soon!! I heard on NPR that Bush will use pre-emptive strikes on Iran if they are deemed an official threat. So so sad..........

"Some say it's just a part of it...we've got to fulfill the book"

[Psycho4Bud]

I can agree to that. But I still think the US needs to get the hell out of there.

The more Iraqi troops that are trained the closer we are to that goal! Hopefully soon!:thumbsup:

[TakeFlight]

I only show hatred to the people who make this a shitty world. What I say is true. If you don't like it...too bad. Just wait for that war with Iran soon!! I heard on NPR that Bush will use pre-emptive strikes on Iran if they are deemed an official threat. So so sad..........

"Some say it's just a part of it...we've got to fulfill the book"

Yeah you know bush cant keep his dick in his pants with the whole Iran thing for much longer, he needs to rub one out on Iran

[Psycho4Bud]

Let em' get their nukes....why should it bother the U.S.!:thumbsup:

[TakeFlight]

why?? doesnt matter if there range cant hit the US the fallout would effect the world

[sbskico1]

and Isreal would never stand for it....