Yeah I had to do 300mg for significant effects and thats about 6 and what they gave was nothing like vicodin rather more unique but noticeably an opiate buzz, its more energetic than vicodin at times i found myself walking around just for the pleasure of moving around, so I was very stimulated with minor sedation, which apparently was noticeable since I mentioned it but oddly enough I was highly stimulated, but that small sedation still was so apparent I could easily nod off. Their ok but I wouldnt call them anything better than codeine since codeine has more euphoria and sedation or so i believe, these were much more weaker with hardly a noticeable mood lift if any at all, which is probably the major downer otherwise it could have been much more enjoyable.