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    #21
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    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by Shelbay
    Grim Reefer...This is Nazism....said it again. Grim Reefer haven't you learned by now you can no more stop what comes out of my mouth than I can yours...so don't tell me what to do because then I will make it a point to do exactly that...got it. Your comparing a baby to a "carcass" is sick and disgusting....as far as your comments on my beliefs...you don't matter..I know I am a true believer...dosen't make me perfect but I believe in my God and have no worries about what you think of me grim reefer. Tell you what...have some fun this weekend..see if you can volunteer to "peacefully" put some not perfect babies down. Your despicable the way you try to excuse the fact that babies that are not perfect are being being peacefully put down...doesn't matter how you try to pretty it up ..no matter what method is used it is a despicable NAZI practice.....anything else? eliminated..murdered...NAZISM...


    Godwin's law
    Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

    As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

    There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.

    http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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    #22
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Hahahaha.

    Cheers to Godwin's Theory. That made me laugh.
    :thumbsup:

    Shelbay, once again you have yet to say anything intelligent or revelant to the conversation but to "cry Nazi" if you will.

    First of all, look up the definition Nazism. No wait, I'll do it for you.

    "S: (n) Nazism, Naziism, national socialism (a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader)"

    Interesting. A strong leader and racism. Where in euthanasia does this take place?

    Let's check out the definition of Nazi.

    ( You know, because you seem to believe that euthanasia is a NAZI practice verbatim. )

    "An abbreviation of the term for the National Socialist political party , a political party headed by Adolf Hitler from 1921 to 1945. The Nazi party ideology was strongly anticommunist, anti-Semitic, racist, nationalistic, imperialistic and militaristic."

    Ok, here we go a little bit further. Nazis were very Anti-Semitist which is what I think you're mixing around in your head here.

    Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility towards or prejudice against Jews (not, in common usage, Semites in general ā?? see the Scope section below). This happens on an individual level and goes on to the institutionalized prejudice and persecution once prevalent in European societies, of which the highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler's National Socialism was the most extreme form.

    Oh wow, a follower of god judging me?! Your mighty savior will not like this.
    (re: "Your despicable")

    If a child can not think, ie; no brain activity whatsoever and it is deemed that the child will need to be hooked up to a machine for the rest of it's life or IT WILL DIE, think about it.

    It's natural selection. Had man not built those machines in the first place (think back quite a few years ago) then the child would have died. Simple enough. But no, instead let's go ahead and waste resources so it's parents can watch the vegetable (I referred to it as a carcass simply because it's brain is dead.) slowly grow for their own selfish nature.

    If you were in a car crash and basically would never see the light of day again, let alone comprehend life as a living state why live?
    God would have killed you long ago without your air-vac and feeding tube.

    kthxbye

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    #23
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    You also keep speaking of a "perfect society" which is bullshit. Euthanasia has nothing to do with a perfect society.

    We're not talking about children with down syndrome, we're talking about lives that without the aid of machinery, would otherwise be in severe pain (emotionally or physically) and kill themselves later in life, or die without them.

    We're not talking eye color. We're not talking about body weight.

    This has nothing to do with cosmetics.

    Kthxbye.

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    #24
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

    Godwin's law
    Godwin's law (also Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an adage in Internet culture that was originated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states that:

    As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

    There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.

    http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
    Nazi
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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    #25
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by The Grim Reefer
    You also keep speaking of a "perfect society" which is bullshit. Euthanasia has nothing to do with a perfect society.

    We're not talking about children with down syndrome, we're talking about lives that without the aid of machinery, would otherwise be in severe pain (emotionally or physically) and kill themselves later in life, or die without them.

    We're not talking eye color. We're not talking about body weight.

    This has nothing to do with cosmetics.

    Kthxbye.
    It has to do with human Life..get it yet...you or anyone else that kills these babies are evil....play the emotional card all you want...it is just wrong and evil.
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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    #26
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by The Grim Reefer
    Hahahaha.

    Cheers to Godwin's Theory. That made me laugh.
    :thumbsup:

    Shelbay, once again you have yet to say anything intelligent or revelant to the conversation but to "cry Nazi" if you will.

    First of all, look up the definition Nazism. No wait, I'll do it for you.

    "S: (n) Nazism, Naziism, national socialism (a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism and obedience to a strong leader)"

    Interesting. A strong leader and racism. Where in euthanasia does this take place?

    Let's check out the definition of Nazi.

    ( You know, because you seem to believe that euthanasia is a NAZI practice verbatim. )

    "An abbreviation of the term for the National Socialist political party , a political party headed by Adolf Hitler from 1921 to 1945. The Nazi party ideology was strongly anticommunist, anti-Semitic, racist, nationalistic, imperialistic and militaristic."

    Ok, here we go a little bit further. Nazis were very Anti-Semitist which is what I think you're mixing around in your head here.

    Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility towards or prejudice against Jews (not, in common usage, Semites in general ā?? see the Scope section below). This happens on an individual level and goes on to the institutionalized prejudice and persecution once prevalent in European societies, of which the highly explicit ideology of Adolf Hitler's National Socialism was the most extreme form.

    Oh wow, a follower of god judging me?! Your mighty savior will not like this.
    (re: "Your despicable")

    If a child can not think, ie; no brain activity whatsoever and it is deemed that the child will need to be hooked up to a machine for the rest of it's life or IT WILL DIE, think about it.

    It's natural selection. Had man not built those machines in the first place (think back quite a few years ago) then the child would have died. Simple enough. But no, instead let's go ahead and waste resources so it's parents can watch the vegetable (I referred to it as a carcass simply because it's brain is dead.) slowly grow for their own selfish nature.

    If you were in a car crash and basically would never see the light of day again, let alone comprehend life as a living state why live?
    God would have killed you long ago without your air-vac and feeding tube.

    kthxbye
    I doubt you could ever teach me anything about Germany..you don't have a clue who I am so here is my definition of Nazi for YOU...GRIM REEFER=Nazi....No one has the right to make life and death decisions and base it on their opinion about the quality of life when there is uncertainty....you have nothing you can tell me about children that are in medical care for long term disabilities either...when you watch a baby survive where most said it wouldn't make it through the night..then you will understand...babies are fighters...and people should never lose hope or faith!
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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    #27
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by The Grim Reefer
    You really, REALLY need to stop comparing euthanasia to Nazi-ism as it's not only bugging the hell out of me but they are simply incomparable.

    If you want to waste resources on a baby who will never recieve more than temporary fixes simply to make it's life tolerable, fine.

    But it doesn't make any sense.
    Oh..just read this one....you really really need to learn not to tell me what to do you moron..now once again..read this well...euthanizing babies is Nazism...hope your really bugging now....waste resources...what a crock..using resources to bring life like you into the world was wasted motions then huh? I gave my opinion and you and your good buddy don't like it..just get over it and move on okay.
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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    #28
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

    Yeah, that's just what I need. A debate with theists - people that consider a cross, an instrument of torture and death, as a symbol of "goodness" - because it supposedly saves them from burning forever. I cannot "debate" this type of thing with believers - either you think that it's true, or you don't. I don't. Even after I realized that it was not true, a long time ago, I kept myself open to various reasons why religion MIGHT be good for humanity. So far, thereā??s not much in favor of that.

    The object of your faith, as described by the bible, is a bloody, vindictive, demented monster that is far worse than any human being that ever lived. Fortunately, all things ā??spiritualā? are superstition. Unfortunately, people believe in them, and some are willing to kill in the name of this lunacy.

    There is no doubt in my mind that some of the Dutch medical professionals that favor the laws for infant euthanasia are religious, but they have humanity and compassion. Hopefully, weā??ll have these practices legal in the U.S. eventually.
    God Have Mercy On Your Soul...because you disrespect my religion I will say that to you...God is merciful but your close to the unforgivable sin...quote all your "intelligent "words you like...your pics on religion are disgusting and sick....when you debate don't get mad..agree to disagree..but I am up for anyway you want to do it>Euthanasia+Nazi
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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    #29
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    What the fuck do you know about me to start judging me about what I know?

    Now for that I'm going to call you a fucking ignorant moron.

    you have nothing you can tell me about children that are in medical care for long term disabilities either...when you watch a baby survive where most said it wouldn't make it through the night..then you will understand...babies are fighters...and people should never lose hope or faith!
    I shouldn't even be alive. The doctors told my mother I had less than a 1% chance to live due to my lungs not being fully developed. I was hooked up to a machine for the first year of my fucking life with countless tubes and wires hooked up to my head locked into a machine that had to have it's own power supply because if it failed in ANY way possible, I would die. I'm 100% healthy now. Don't try and feed me verbal bullshit about me not knowing such things.

    I doubt you could ever teach me anything about Germany..you don't have a clue who I am so here is my definition of Nazi for YOU...GRIM REEFER=Nazi....
    Don't tell me I don't know anything about Germany or it's culture. I'm over 90% german. (almost 100% but I don't know the exact amount.) I've studied it's culture over the span of a few years. I research every. single. thing. before I speak about it.

    You babble and still haven't even proven any legit part in your argument.

    You don't understand that arguments don't have to lead to putting people down.

    An argument is a mere clash of opinions, don't take things so personally.

    The only thing you've told me is that my ideals are evil. You haven't given me any other viable reason that euthanasia is wrong.

    You can tell me it's Nazism all you want. That's your opinion. I was merely stating that your opinion is wrong, because technically it is. I was proving fact to be fiction. I'm over your claim of "Nazism" now because you seem to just be trying to play it off like it's going to make me angry and make me say something that will offend you so I can look like a bad guy and your side of the argument will look better than mine.

    Learn to take your own advice, Ms. "Holier than Thou".
    (re: "God is merciful but your close to the unforgivable sin...quote all your "intelligent "words you like...your pics on religion are disgusting and sick....when you debate don't get mad..agree to disagree..but I am up for anyway you want to do it>Euthanasia+Nazi")

    Oh, and by the way. Your "Euthanasia+Nazi" equation doesn't make any sense. I think what you were looking for was "Euthanasia = Nazism".

    :smokin:

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    #30
    Senior Member

    Holland to Allow Baby Euthanasia

    Quote Originally Posted by The Grim Reefer
    What the fuck do you know about me to start judging me about what I know?

    Now for that I'm going to call you a fucking ignorant moron.



    I shouldn't even be alive. The doctors told my mother I had less than a 1% chance to live due to my lungs not being fully developed. I was hooked up to a machine for the first year of my fucking life with countless tubes and wires hooked up to my head locked into a machine that had to have it's own power supply because if it failed in ANY way possible, I would die. I'm 100% healthy now. Don't try and feed me verbal bullshit about me not knowing such things.



    Don't tell me I don't know anything about Germany or it's culture. I'm over 90% german. (almost 100% but I don't know the exact amount.) I've studied it's culture over the span of a few years. I research every. single. thing. before I speak about it.

    You babble and still haven't even proven any legit part in your argument.

    You don't understand that arguments don't have to lead to putting people down.

    An argument is a mere clash of opinions, don't take things so personally.

    The only thing you've told me is that my ideals are evil. You haven't given me any other viable reason that euthanasia is wrong.

    You can tell me it's Nazism all you want. That's your opinion. I was merely stating that your opinion is wrong, because technically it is. I was proving fact to be fiction. I'm over your claim of "Nazism" now because you seem to just be trying to play it off like it's going to make me angry and make me say something that will offend you so I can look like a bad guy and your side of the argument will look better than mine.

    Learn to take your own advice, Ms. "Holier than Thou".
    (re: "God is merciful but your close to the unforgivable sin...quote all your "intelligent "words you like...your pics on religion are disgusting and sick....when you debate don't get mad..agree to disagree..but I am up for anyway you want to do it>Euthanasia+Nazi")

    Oh, and by the way. Your "Euthanasia+Nazi" equation doesn't make any sense. I think what you were looking for was "Euthanasia = Nazism".

    :smokin:
    Not going to argue again on the board but if you would like to email argue...I am up for a few hours..just let me know. God Have Mercy On You. As I said ....get a clue now...there is nothing you can tell me about Germany or the nazi...oh and since when did an OPINION become a "right" or "wrong" issue nazi? Its an opinion...now calm down....chill...smoke you a good one and it will be all better....and it is evil to kill these babies..you advocate that practice I stand by my statement your evil...you said you shouldn't even be alive..then look at that...you made it...maybe some of these babies could..are you getting this yet? Your living proof about Dr's being wrong..sheesh hope you realize you just made a perfect argument for this murdering of babies....just think...maybe if that was standard practice when you were a baby you could have been out down....read some of my previous posts on my heritage and get a clue about how I can speak of its history you idiot....I can say anything I like...nothing you can do about that so just move on...
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    If Tyranny & Oppression come to this land,it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.

    James Madison 4th U.S. President (1751-1836)

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