I roll my jays into a cone shape, it works so much better that way, the trick is to roll the paper with the weed in it back and forth as many times as you need to get it into the right shape then lick the paper to get it sticky and start from the bottom, make sure it's tight, then work your way up the cone sticking it together and making sure it's tight, then twist one end off and push a roachie in the other (i'm sure u can guess which end it goes in ).