[QUOTE=Torog]Howdy BA,

I think that it's right to make both the man and woman responsible,married or not,especially if a chil is concieved because of irresponsible promiscuity. I do agree that men need to have more rights in regards to whether an abortion should be performed or not,there are many men who want to have children and are willing to be fully responsible for them.

In these days,with the easy availability of family planning, there is no reason that a person must have children in the event of an unplanned pregnancy. If you don't agree with abortion, fine - but when sperm fertilizes the egg in an ovary it's nothing more than a chemical reaction of nature. Making it into some kind of "miracle" is just superstitous nonsense.

I don't like the use of the word "slut" and it makes me wonder if you think of all women as being "sluts" ? As the father of a beautiful,wonderful daughter,it pisses me off mightily ,when men talk about women in those terms..if anything-we have a problem with man "sluts",who will do or say anything to a woman,to git her into bed.

I do not think that most men will "do or say anything" just to get a woman into bed. In my case, I was fortunate enough that I didn't need to lie, or pay for sex (well, I paid for dates). I also wouldn't have children under the type of system that we live under - which is going more and more towards matriarchial/matrilineal - in other words, back to the days of savagery. We CREATE "sluts" by rewarding bad behavior and creating contempt for the father (and men in general).

I left my wife and took my daughter,when she was old enuff to decide legally,who she wanted to live with,and finished raising her on my own,without hardly any help from her mother,because her mother was more interested in going to the bar,than being at home with her daughter. My daughter never got into drugs or sex,in school,and finished highschool in the top of her class,I re-dedicated my life to her and put my wants aside.

Men have given up their role as the head of the household - but you have shown that you were a fine parent and provider, which is admirable.

So when a child is concieved,it's time for the parents to grow up and put
their wants to the side and consider the needs of the child first,it becomes a bigger issue than just the wants of the mother..it's no longer about whether a man or woman refuses to be "in-convienced" by a child. Certainly,there should be consideration given for the health impact to the mother,and not nearly so much about whether it's "in-convient" or not.

This society is moving towards a primitive system, and the men have relinquished their rights to control by people that have ingrained in them lousy values that are the end result of bad "liberalism" and "conservatism". We need to have PRIDE in ourselves: having children out of wedlock, making men pay for children out of wedlock that they never wanted, and female heads of households (unless she's a widow), are not good ideas. This is MY version of "conservatismā?: Responsibility without rights is not American. Men should demand their rightful role as the head of the houshold and primary caregiver of children born into a LEGAL union. Sex outside of marriage is fine, but the women cannot expect the man to assume the role of their "husband" just because they forgot to put in their diaphram, or take a pill.