9/11/01 Revisited

[pisshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I&eurl=

http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html

pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on 03-02-2006. 9/11/01 Revisited http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I&eurl= http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html Rating: 5

[Breukelen advocaat]

In the 9/11 Revisited film, an "expert" says that if you know anything about bringing down a building that you have to go to the under-infrastructure to bring it down.

As I have written here before, I was very close to the scene, in lower NYC, on the morning of 9/11. On the way home from Manhattan, I met an architect on the subway before the buildings collapsed, and he described to me exactly what was going to happen, because those buildings were built to collapse straight down to minimize destruction of the surrounding areas. This is exactly what happened when I turned on the TV upon returning home.
The people that insist that the use of pre-planted bombs was the ONLY way those buildings could have collapsed under the circumstances have other agendas.

A child asks, in the opening of the 9/11 video, in a letter to the president (which her mother probably wrote for her), "Did you know 9/11 was going to happen? If you did, why didn't you stop bin laden?"
They're getting pretty desperate for support when they start using children that know nothing!

[pisshead]

sorry, i disagree. buildings like building 7 that weren't even hit by a plane and were hundreds of feet away from buildings that were hit by huge chunks of debris don't just collapse perfectly from a few small fires.

Trade Center warning baffles police

An â??urban mythâ?? turns out to be true â?? but what does it mean?

By Jonathan Alter
SPECIAL TO MSNBC

NEW YORK, Oct. 12 â?? I went to Brooklyn this week in search of an â??urban mythâ?� about the World Trade Center attacks. What I came back with was no longer a myth â?? it was cold, chilling fact. But it didnâ??t clear anything up for me; that the â??mythâ?� was true only made matters murkier. Was word of the attacks on the street beforehand? I wanted to find out.

YOU KNOW the â??mythsâ?� I mean. Maybe you heard the one about the â??friend of a â??friendâ?� who was stood up by her Afghan boyfriend, who then e-mailed her on September 10 not to get on a commercial airliner the next day or go out to the malls on Halloween. The FBI said yesterday it was not a â??credible threat.â?�

The story I was looking for had circulated less widely and in more general form. It recounted the story of a kid who bragged around school before the attacks that the World Trade Center was going to be destroyed. On October 11, an aggressive young reporter for The JournalNews of Westchester, N.Y. â?? Jeffrey Scott Shapiro â?? published a article that tracked the story down to New Utrecht High School in Brooklyn. Shapiro identified a teacher who witnessed a freshman in her class saying: â??Do you see those two buildings? They wonâ??t be standing there next week.â?�

â??This is the only case we know of where someone said the World Trade Center was coming down prior to it happening,â?� a police source told me. I had to take a closer look.

SCHOOL OF RICH DIVERSITY
New Utrecht High School in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn, is a wonderful melting pot. The day I visited, two girls â?? one Chinese, one Russian â?? sat poring over SAT prep material near polling booths set up for the the New York City mayoral runoff. I heard at least three languages spoken I couldnâ??t even begin to identify. The school offers courses in Urdu because 116 students come from Pakistan.

Outside the school, Bensonhurst has changed immeasurably since the days of black versus white racial confrontation in the 1980s. Immigrants, many of whom speak little English, far outnumber native speakers on the streets. The restaurants and shops offer food from dozens of countries.

Since September 11, hundreds of leads have poured into the local police precinct, but incidents have been few. Someone tried to throw a Molotov cocktail into a mosque, but it hit a canopy pole instead of the building and did little damage. Reports that Arab immigrants had been cheering at a local supermarket after the towers collapsed (a frequent rumor around the country) were investigated and turned out to be false. So were the dozens of rumors of Arabs mysteriously disappearing from their homes just before the attack.

The police say they have been working closely with two of the three mosques in the area. One is run by an Irishman who converted to Islam and became an imam; the other by a baggage handler for American Airlines. This latter fact, not surprisingly, aroused a great interest at first. His friends in the community thought he might lose his job. But the imam is backed by the airline and remains close to the police in the area. â??I feel sorry for the dark-skinned people in the neighborhood,â?� says a police officer. â??Theyâ??ve done nothing wrong and most have been cooperative.â?�

STRANGER THAN FICTION
Itâ??s that context that makes the story of the Pakistani freshman so strange. I canâ??t tell you who filled in the details for me; the heat is on and the FBI is particularly jumpy. Both teacher and student have, with the help of the school, successfully ducked all efforts to contact them. But hereâ??s what Iâ??ve pieced together:

On September 6 â?? five days before the attack â?? Antoinette DiLorenzo, who teaches English as a second language to a class of Pakistani immigrants, led a class discussion about world events. She asked a freshman (his name has been withheld): â??What are you looking at?â?� The youth was peering out the third floor window toward lower Manhattan. After he made the remark about the World Trade center not being there next week, the teacher didnâ??t immediately think much of it, though it stuck in her mind.

On September 11, school was canceled after the attack and again the following day. On Thursday September 13, a clearly agitated DiLorenzo, saying she had been afraid to come forward, reported the incident to the principalâ??s office. â??It scared the hell out of everyone,â?� according to a source at the school.

The police and FBI were alerted and twelve NYPD officers entered the school and secured DiLorenzoâ??s classroom for three hours, locking the doors with the students inside. While the students were brought lunch and a movie and told to be calm, the youth in question and his older brother, a sophomore, were taken to be interrogated by the FBI, stationed at the police precinct nearby.

DiLorenzo, the key to the believability of this story, was also questioned. She was described by school officials as having a superb and unblemished record in the New York school system. A police source described her as â??100 percent credible.â?�

Moreover, according to police, the youth confirmed having made the September 6 statement about the towers. At the moment he did so, his older brother elbowed him, said he had been â??kidding,â?� and the youth in question agreed. The younger brother seemed upset and said he was â??having a bad day.â?� When asked why, he said that his father was supposed to come back from Pakistan that day. Further details of the interrogation are unclear, in part because the FBI is not discussing it.

Because of the suspension of air travel, it took the father a few days to return. About a week after September 11, the father visited the school and angrily asked why his sons had been interrogated by the authorities. He said that his familyâ??s constitutional rights had been violated.

Having done nothing wrong beyond spreading a rumor that turned out to be true, the student was returned to his classroom. He remains in the school.
The FBI placed the boyâ??s family under surveillance but, according to sources, does not see a connection to the plot to blow up the towers. The case remains under investigation, but with thousands of leads, it doesnâ??t appear to be going anywhere.

TRUTH NO ANSWER
So what to make of all of this? There is no doubt in my mind that the story is true. But what does it mean?

There are only three possibilities: 1.) the youth was clairvoyant; 2.) the youth, knowing about the 1993 bombing, was just venting anger in a particularly timely way; 3.) word of the attack on the World Trade Center was rumored in his family or neighborhood and he heard about it.

Investigators donâ??t know what to believe. On the one hand, one argues, â??This is too much of a coincidence that the kid said thisâ?� before September 11. On the other hand, scores of tips in the area have not checked out when pursued by police. One police officer says he would need a couple of other similarly confirmed cases to conclude definitively that word was on the street.

In the meantime, police and school authorities in Brooklyn are looking ahead. â??Itâ??s creepy,â?� one told me before I got on the subway to go back to the office. â??But what the hell are we going to do about it now?â?�



Police: Student spoke of attacks before Sept. 11

By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: Oct. 11, 2001)

BROOKLYN â?? Authorities are tracking numerous leads that some people, including members of the Arab-American community, heard rumors of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in the days leading up to the hijackings, law enforcement sources say.

"There have been leads where someone has alleged to have heard someone else boasting about how the attack was going to happen before it happened," said Jim Margolin, a spokesman for the FBI in Manhattan.

In Brooklyn, a high school freshman who recently immigrated from Pakistan was investigated by federal agents after his teacher reported that he had predicted the Trade Center's collapse a week before the towers were attacked.

The student pointed out a third-story window of New Utrecht High School toward the Trade Center and said, "Do you see those two buildings? They won't be standing there next week," according to three police sources and a city official familiar with the investigation. They said the comment came in the midst of a heated political discussion the student was having with his teacher in an English class for Arab-American students.

New York City Board of Education spokeswoman Catie Marshall confirmed that school officials reported the matter to police within minutes of the Sept. 11 attack.

The boy's teacher, Antoinette DeLorenzo, declined to comment, but students said that FBI agents and NYPD detectives descended on the school on Sept. 13 to interrogate the student and others in his class.

Brooke Lillman, a 15-year-old sophomore, said that when the news of the attack began circulating in the school, DeLorenzo locked her classroom door, fearing her students could be attacked by their peers.

A veteran city police detective familiar with the case said investigators have been learning that many people in New York's Arab-American community had heard rumors about the Sept. 11 attacks before they occurred.

The officer said the story "had been out on the street," and the number of leads turning up was so "overwhelming" that it was difficult to tell who had heard about the attacks from second-hand sources and who had heard it from someone who may have been a participant.

For example, since Sept. 11, various leads have been investigated regarding Middle Eastern employees who may not have shown up for work at the World Trade Center that morning.

One detective conducting such investigations in Brooklyn said they had become "a serious and major priority."

According to a recent report on the Sept. 11 attacks issued by the British government, intelligence sources have found that Osama bin Laden himself made comments before Sept. 11 that "he was preparing a major attack on America," and warned many of his associates to return to Afghanistan by Sept. 10. The report further states that known associates of bin Laden were naming Sept. 11 as a date of action.

Federal agents who visited the New Utrecht school questioned the student and his older brother, who also attends there, the sources said. Afterward, the agents tried to question their father, who chastised them for harassing his children, they said.

Police sources said that, after the interviews, the boy's father left for Pakistan. After his departure, investigators conducted a second interview with the boy and his mother, who told them that her son was having psychological problems.

The boy and his brother have returned to school, but police said the FBI discussed keeping them under surveillance.

School officials closed the school on Sept. 12, but FBI agents and city police combed the building the following day. They searched the backpacks and lockers of various students with Middle Eastern backgrounds, and spent several hours interviewing them in a locked room.

"There were cops all over the building," said Julian Sulaj, a 17-year old senior at the school. "It was security to the max."

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Washington, D.C., said Brooklyn has the largest population of Arab-Americans in New York City.

According to a federal indictment against bin Laden, FBI agents have linked the former Alkifah Refugee Center on Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue to the Saudi fugitive-exile's terrorist network, al-Qaida.

[pisshead]

and for everyone else, it might be worth it to watch more than 30 seconds of the video...

[Breukelen advocaat]

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the pakis and arabs knew in advance of the attack. We heard rumors that they did, and we also heard that they were on the rooftops in New Jersey, waiting to watch the events unfold and cheering when it happened.

My conversation with that man on the subway on the morning of 9/11, who is an architect, about the World Trade Centers' collapse, is not an urban legend. He was not raving, or even talking loud - I was probably the only person that heard him.

We can argue whether the White House "knew" what was going to happen for years, but the issue of the ability of those buildings to collapse as they did without assistance of bombs is an issue best left to professionals - and I believe the guy on the subway. This is NOT to say that bombs weren't used - I'm just convinced that they were not necessary.

[Psycho4Bud]

Just got done servin' 11 days and find that Pissy is still on the 9-11 crack pipe.........GET SOME REHAB DUDE!!!:thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Just got done servin' 11 days and find that Pissy is still on the 9-11 crack pipe.........GET SOME REHAB DUDE!!!:thumbsup:

Welcome Back!

That must have funny - when you came home from "vacation" and see that the same old shit, by the same people, is still appearing here. Nothing changes much, but there's some stranger postings coming around now: this could be a sign that potency of the strains is increasing. Man, I just use a maintenance amount these days, and I'm lucky to have that. :dance:

Check out the Israeli Cartoon Contest thread that I posted a couple of days ago (Israeli group announces anti-Semitic cartoons contest!) - it's going to be fun to see the "winners". The preliminary entries are pretty savage, and the contest is still on.
http://www.boomka.org/images/acc-logo.pdf

http://www.boomka.org/

[pisshead]

psychobabble just got done 'serving' 11 days...and I'M the one that needs help...

thanks, i'll put this in the bullshit file. and he still can't explain the 19 freedom hating muslim hijacker theory, too bad, he had 11 days to think about it.

[Breukelen advocaat]

psychobabble just got done 'serving' 11 days...and I'M the one that needs help.... he had 11 days to think about it.

Well, that's not a very wam welcome for a friend of yours.

He did not say what type of service he was performing. It could be anything: Jury duty, volunteer work (I know that he's very active in helping seniors), military reserve, other community services, etc. If it was what you are implying, 11 days isn't indicitive of a major problem. Some of us (ahem) have risked getting, or have gotten, far more for our little transgressions.