Gnostic Christianity

[Great Spirit]

The fundementalists (AND I USED TO BE ONE SO I KNOW MY SHIT) say that you must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior to get into a physical heaven. They overlook that Gods Kingdom is inside of us...so we all are God.

There is so much dogma to get past its not even funny. Its on par with Yoda saying "you must unlearn what you have learned".....which means you have to rethink everything. I sure did and I am grateful for that. No religion will ever explain God fully really...we must experience God ourselves. We are not to be slaves to an ideology. Light and Darkness are brothers. Without Darkness...we never evolve yet the Dark always serves the Light. Reality is Gray.

The "afterlife" is just a spot were we can dwell for literally all eternity if you want in Light or Dark....depending on your situation. Time is irrelevant to God...but God wants to experience here on this plane. Its how we grow. We can bring this plane to a Christ like frequency if we all love another and get past our prejeduces which are childlike. All we need is love.

[Great Spirit]

Someday I can imagine Catholic priests and Buddhist monks talking to God together.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i understand that soon, the three conscious planes will merge, eliminating a seperation between the spiritual, ethereal, and physical worlds...

[Polymirize]

or is it just a misunderstanding that there's any seperation at all? Remove the veil of form and perceive through the illusion.

deep.

[F L E S H]

The fundementalists (AND I USED TO BE ONE SO I KNOW MY SHIT) say that you must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior to get into a physical heaven. They overlook that Gods Kingdom is inside of us...so we all are God.

There is so much dogma to get past its not even funny. Its on par with Yoda saying "you must unlearn what you have learned".....which means you have to rethink everything. I sure did and I am grateful for that. No religion will ever explain God fully really...we must experience God ourselves. We are not to be slaves to an ideology. Light and Darkness are brothers. Without Darkness...we never evolve yet the Dark always serves the Light. Reality is Gray.

The "afterlife" is just a spot were we can dwell for literally all eternity if you want in Light or Dark....depending on your situation. Time is irrelevant to God...but God wants to experience here on this plane. Its how we grow. We can bring this plane to a Christ like frequency if we all love another and get past our prejeduces which are childlike. All we need is love.

Let me start off by saying that I'm an atheist, pure and simple.

That being said, your take on religion is the only one that I don't find stupid or based on fairy tales. When you say we are all God, you're absolutely right. Before I became completely atheist, my conception of religion and spirituality were almost identical to yours. I believed (and still do, for that matter) that dogma is poison. It is the ultimate barrier to rational thought. Also, like you mention, Good and Evil, Light and Dark, nothing is ever so simple. Life is much more complex than simple dualities, and to deny it is to deny the magnificence of Human experience.

Now, where I differ in opinion is for what you call God. I don't believe in a creator, I don't believe in his on or whatever, and I don't believe in an afterlife. When you say we can all become God or live in a Christ-like frequency, I say Humanity has unlimited potential to make this world a better place. I think that we needed to call these thoughts "God" and "jesus" before because our intellect was incapable of thinking without reference to some supernatural, omnipotent power. Today, I am convinced that the need for these crutches (i.e. organized religion) is compltely outdated. In fact, I think that a literal belief in God is not only hindering progress, but fostering regress!

But still, I am happy to see someone think along the same lines I do, even though there's slight differences...

[mrdevious]

i understand that soon, the three conscious planes will merge, eliminating a seperation between the spiritual, ethereal, and physical worlds...

stoner shadow wolf, you're so wise. Every time we discuss something you just have all the answers and can state them as fact, because you know it to be true, as you know all. I wish I was completely enlightened as you are, I really do.

[beachguy in thongs]

A book a friend let me borrow, "The Jesus Mysteries" says that "the Gnostics were so effectively suppressed that until recently almost all we knew about them came from the writings of their detractors and oppressors."

"The Gnostics' view of Christianity was in many ways the mirror image of that of the Literalist Christians who eventually became the Roman Catholic Church."

It also says that they wrote hundreds of different Christian gospels.

"Gnostics taught that the true Christian experienced Gnosis or mystical "Knowledge" for themselves and became a Christ!"

[beachguy in thongs]

Wow, this book is pretty interesting:

Although remembered today as heretics, the Gnostics saw themselves as the genuine Christians. In the Gnostic gospel called The Apocalypse of Peter, the risen Jesus calls Literalist Christianity an "imitation church" in place of the true Christian brotherhood of the Gnostics.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

stoner shadow wolf, you're so wise. Every time we discuss something you just have all the answers and can state them as fact, because you know it to be true, as you know all. I wish I was completely enlightened as you are, I really do.

right... and that wasnt even...

im not even sure about the conscious planes merging, that's just something i've heard, take it for what you will.


yeah, i have my own answers to everything, just sharing my opinions wherever such a topic might pop up. did i ever say that what i believe is correct for you? did i ever say that my beliefs should be your beliefs too? no, i didn't, so i dont see where your attitude is stemming from.



let's make it clear, i am a philosopher, i like to develope my own answers to other people's beliefs, and if i like my philosophy from your ideas, i'll integrate it into my own beliefs, simple as that. im not parading around as some enlightened one who knows the path to divinity, i am just seeking that knowledge and wisdom.

i go about it not by researching religious beliefs and expecting that to tell me anything, i do it on my own terms, by studying all beliefs and piecing them together to see if i cant catch a glimpse of the big picture.

[Great Spirit]

I also do believe in evolution and reject the Creation theory in Genesis. If you took that story literally, you would find that God creates man twice and the Sumerian legend of creation (which the Hebrews probably borrowed) is VERY similar to the Bible, as we are both made from the ground as it says.

God is the life process itself.....cannot be contained. God is too much for our limited minds to comprehend...as their are infinite universes and inifinite dimensions. Think of God as just pure thought and energy. There is no limit to your mind so God is limitless. The old saying in the Bible "which temple can hold God!?"

So you can be an Atheist and be God at the same time. A lot of people get the concept that if you are an Atheist, than you are a horrible person. So far from the truth. It's how you treat people, not what you simply believe that God looks at.