Quote Originally Posted by EternalEnemy
In fact, i believe i somewhat can.

Now, i myself believe in everlasting existance. I can only offer weak theories on what happens after life, how does the universum work, does karma exist etc..But im very certain that existance is eternal. Of course, the only thing i can be 100% certain of is that i, myself, exist, since i can perceive that by feeling. That should be the ONLY exact truth, not even wheter it lasts forever(which i believe it does, even if all its information and identity vanishes, the self still remains) or not, and i believe many people will agree with me on this one.
Ok, i dont like to blabber too much, so i will explain it briefly why believing that after you die, you just die and dont exist anymore is a very unrealistic way of viewing things:
First of all, as you can easily perceive, nature is built on this strange duality you see. Good and bad, warm and cold, happines and unhappines, order and chaos, man and woman etc...Also, im sure most of you will agree that, both empirically perceiving and philosophically deducting, they seem to be dependant on each other, and one does not exist without the other. Now if you ask yourself the question "do i exist?", you should come to the conclusion "yes" simply because you should feel that you are. It needs no excuses, you feel your conciousness, you are there. You may not be able to prove it to someone else, but you know it yourself. So, there you have the proof of the spiritual side, as in opposite to matter. It is both easy to perceive and easy to deduct that matter is the opposite of this spiritual side of yours, the side that is all the perceptions and feelings.
Now, we know this:
1. Yin and Yang need each other in order to exist, and as long as the other excist, the other does as well.
2.Matter exists
3.Spirit exists

Now, if you know anything about physics, you know that matter is eternal. You can destroy a furniture, it just goes into smaller pieces. You can destroy its atoms, but to be honest, atoms are not the smallest pieces in the universe. There are no smallest pieces, there is only one thing: MASS. So, if matter cannot be demolished into unexistence, why could spirit then? In other words, the so called 'death' is a very VERY unrealistic theory. Its a theory that you suddenly are, and then you arent. That is NOT how the universum works. The human mind has the power to believe that something lasts forever or doesent, in other words may believe there is no end. But in its feebleness, it cannot comprehend if there is no beginning, and the universum, i believe, has no beginning nor end. If not, what was before before there was anything to be?
So, believing that once you see someones body die, you think his/her spiritual side dies too, its similiar to when a caveman without better knowledge thinks that matter can disappear.

Now, i would like to see some christian or atheist unprove my point with other than "no, man, i just believe otherwise, you will know when you see Jesus yourself!" or "no!".

BTW, if someone actually believes what the bible says, then good luck. Historical fact for you: Jesus used to go to bordells, and this is true.
fact # 2: Bible used to have multiple versions, people just picked the most fitting one. They were, of course, not going well together.
this duality is a helpful way to explain things but not really a rule in the universe. cold is not a force like heat but an absence of heat. it doesn't really exist at all. just because you can feel something doesn't mean it's there the way you percieve it. gender wasn't evolved for billions of years after life, and after the sun's red giant phase has burned off all other life on earth, the last to die off will be the simple archaebacteria who are resistant to or thrive in extreme conditions. good and evil are complicated illusions based on what is favorable for a species. and though i'm pretty sure there hasn't been anybody that was continuously happy from birth to death, there have certainly been people who never knew happiness. oh, and way to go mr. physicist. you say there is no smallest piece of matter, yet have you ever even heard of a planck length (the smallest possible distance)? the smallest particle can be no smaller than this. matter has an opposite; it's called antimatter shitstick. and i can easily disprove yin and yang with the photon. do you know what an antiphoton is? just a photon. it has no opposite. though, according to the law of preservation of energy and matter, matter is never truly destroyed, it stays roughly the same for a while, then rapidly changes. therefore, if the soul could be proven to exist, souls would be inherited along with the genetics. and most importantly of all, you assume that the mind exists as an entity seperate from the body called a "soul", but it's just a process. how do you explain people whose brains were badly injured and repaired, but lost all memories and aquired personality traits? if you think these things are not part of the soul, then a soul would not be part of the person.