a challenge to those who feel intelligent

[Polymirize]

lol, hmmm? if the power's out, then the powers out, i KNOW it won't turn on if the powers out or the comps broken, but knowing the comp isn't, or the powers not out, it will turn on. fact, not some sort of miracle that hey everytime i seem to push this button, the comp turns on? that's a work of god! no it's science dimwit. common sense, use the other side of your brain.

I'm going to ask a question with the most sincere and honest tone I can, and I apoligize if it comes out mildly offensive, but...

are you like 17 years old or are you just stupid?

Monkeys can flip switches... Can you reason?

[Adolf Smittler]

1. God is the entity than which no greater entity can be conceived.

2. The concept of God exists in human understanding.

3. God does not exist in reality (assumed in order to refute).

4. The concept of God existing in reality exists in human understanding.

5. If an entity exists in reality and in human understanding, this entity is greater than it would have been if it existed only in human understanding (a statement of existence as a perfection).

6. from 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 An entity can be conceived which is greater than God, the entity than which no greater entity can be conceived (logical self-contradiction).

7. Assumption 3 is wrong, therefore God exists in reality (assuming 1, 2, 4, and 5 are accepted as true).

There you have it

pretty good but:
1. a perfect being can not be conceived. a perfect being is omnipotent, but omnipotence is logically impossible (does an omnipotent being have the power to become more powerful? either way, they aren't omnipotent). we can't concieve how a being would complete an insurmountable task, therefore we can't conceive such a being.
2. why must perfection exist in reality? a perfect square in thought wouldn't become more perfect if such an object could be created in reality.

[PureEvil760]

Every single human is perfect in god's eyes even serial killers, rapists ect.

[Adolf Smittler]

Every single human is perfect in god's eyes even serial killers, rapists ect.

he just doesn't want to admit his mistakes.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

My personal opinions:

there is no god but yourself.

if you are suffering, you don't hit your knees and ask for divine guidance and expect a miracle out of nowhere-- we have our own minds and are capable of working out our problems. it's the same situation in any case. whether you hit your knees in prayer or sit in a lotus posture in silent meditation, the motive is always the same--to gain awareness, to gain insight. for guidance, for a power "outside of yourself" . i'm a buddhist in philosophy, because I recognize that in order to gain this "outside insight", i do not need the help of any god. there is no god but yourself. even in a judeo-christian point of view, the idea is that one must first search for god to gain insight (the phrase "jesus is knocking at your door , let him in to dine with you" comes to mind, making a reference to the fact that jesus is trying to come into your life, but first you must seek it). it's not the work of god that is changing your life in religion, people. it's the mere fact that you are seeking to make a positive and insightful change in your own life. that's the enlightenment. while one might compare this to being "in the holy spirit" from a christian standpoint, the feeling which most religions offer people is very possibly the same.

if you think about it, buddhism offers enlightenment. islam offers submission. christianity offers salvation. all of these religions claim to save your life in one form of another. this is what unites religions-the fact that we are searching for something outside of ourself, be it a personal relationship with god or just our own personal insight. To a greater extent, a muslim may feel as "spiritual" (i.e. tranquil, happy, joyous) with his religion , as a christian might with his. the general idea is that all religions give us, the HUMAN, the same "feeling", the same experience, and this feeling is the result of chemicals being released in our brains (endorphins).

in my opinion, spiritualilty in general is very similar among all religions--the only difference is in religious doctrine/creed. however i do believe that the actual feeling that accompanies spirituality is the same. whether you are meditating, praying to Allah, sitting with a guru, or reading scripture from the bible, religion does the same things for people in general-- it gives a sense of well-being and comfort, joy. perhaps that's why karl marx called religion the "opiate of the masses".

in a sense we could compare spirituality to a natural drug, in the sense that when we are feeling "spiritual", what we are really experiencing is endorphins being released in the brain ( which is necessary to produce this feeling, as any feeling one experiences is the result of certain chemical reactions occuring in the brain).

to put it in another sense, we could say that religion makes us feel good. it gives us peace of mind, tranquility, reassurance--it helps us affirm our self. it helps us feel well. so does heroin interestingly, this is the result of chemical processes in the brain--similar to how a drug might work on the brain. The universalness of spirituality is what unites all religions--we all feel the same "high" on religion, if you will--a high of well-being and happyness, assurance.... "holyness".

when one takes a drug like heroin, a feeling of well-being comes over the person. and this is because endorphins are being released in the brain. and when christians are feeling the holy spirit, obviously endorphins are being released in their brains-- so much that it is enough to cause laughing, crying, etc. i observe this and conclude that these people could only be "high on the holy spirit", or otherwise "high off their religion". Indeed, the holy spirit could very well be re-created as a chemical compound, a drug if you will. when ingested, this "holy spirit" drug might produce effects similar to those of a religious experience. But i'm not a pharmacologist, and i'm not a psychiatrist, nor a neurologist. I'm just pointing out the fact that every emotion we feel is the result of chemical change in the brain, so perhaps with this knowledge , a drug could be created which would "simulate" the effects of spirituality, or re-create the religious experience because every emotion we feel is a result of chemical change in the mind. thus after ingesting this drug, one might experience or re-live a religious experience. more than likely though, it would just throw you into psychosis.

enough deep thoughs now, and off i go to smoke my bowl, pop my melatonin and sleep think about it.

[IanCurtisWishlist]

ahhh fuck i just wrote a fucking essay for this , and the fucking browser FUCKED IT UP. i hate computers they are the worst fucking thing since the television!! FUCK.