Why religion doesn't exist

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Religion is a part of human nature. maybe not everyone's human nature.. but just human nature in general. That's why it was "invented", that's why wars are fought over it and it's also why it'll always exsist.
As long our Human nature stays the same.. there will always be religion.

Just like there's always be stereotypes.

Look at your own post even.. You think religion is the root of all evil.. and yet you probably whole heartedly enjoy at least 2 religious holidays a year.

I'm not even going to touch the "crazy muslim" comment........


So really.. it looks like you don't know what the hell you're actually talking about. you contradict yourself so many times in your post.. it hurts my brain.

You need to think this out some more, me thinks.

Or actually experience something before you can give your NON stereotypical opinion about it.

saying religion is part of human nature is ignorant, bob.
people who resisted the religious changes back when it first appeared were most certianly murdered. in fact, i would bet that most people resisted it as well, and those who feared for their lives just gave in.

[mrpink019]

Life is a coincidence. All life truly is is a lot of matter in the right place at the right time.


I am a Darwinisit, and a large one at that. I for one don't understand why religion even exists anymore. To me religion was originally created by emotion in one of its simpilest forms: fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand. I mean, we have come to understand that this is why the ancient Greek Gods were created( People didn't know why it rained, so they created a God that made it rain), but when we apply this to religions of the current day for some reason we say that it is untrue. Because we as a human race have evolved to the point that we now know why most things on Earth happen, we no longer believe in the God's such as Ra, the sun God. But we still don't know exactly how we were created, so we still believe in Gods. Or I should say a God, because how we were created is the only large unknown still remaining.

The human race as a whole really thinks too much of itself. I mean, we weren't even the first organism on the planet, and for some reason we think that a "God" favors us over everyone else.


Also, RastaKaze, your right, the theory of evolution is only a theory. So what? Every single form of science is a theory, believe it or not. The theory of Quantum mechanics says that atoms exist. However, it is only a theory. That doesn't matter, though, you will still say that atoms exist. We don't know for sure that they exist(Well, now we have actually seen them, but pretend this is three years ago), but we are still 99.9% sure that they exist. That is the way that science works.


Again RastaKaze, why does the universe have to be created? Why can't it just be there, and that is the way it is. I understand that that is going against some new theories on String Theory and parralel universe ssmashing against each other and the force created is the big bang, but still. I understand that the human mind can only stretch so far, and that this thought is stretching it to its current limit(You know, how you can't actually realize how big the universe is because you can't truly understand something that massive because you have never come in contact with it), but try to use your mind and think about it instead of using the mind that was given to you because of past beliefs.

Yes I can

but you see, I don't mean god in the normal sense of the word

infact, let's call it the birth of the phsyical realm

WHAT caused it?

the being/event that set time into motion is God

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you seem to contradict yourself...


fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand.

such as the concept of evolution... darwinism is fear of religion from where im sitting.

and religious nuts fear darwinism and reinforce their religious beliefs with mockery and such.



all in all, stop trying to explain it to others, and just philosophise and decide what YOU want to think for YOURSELF.



IMHO you're all just as bad as the people you fight. all i see is contradiction and hyppocrisy.


yes, even in myself by pointing this out, but im rather tired of it, and hope maybe y'all will stop and look at what you're doing BEFORE you do it...

[mrpink019]

you seem to contradict yourself...


fear. People are afraid of what they don't understand, so they create false ideals to explain what they don't understand.

such as the concept of evolution... darwinism is fear of religion from where im sitting.

and religious nuts fear darwinism and reinforce their religious beliefs with mockery and such.



all in all, stop trying to explain it to others, and just philosophise and decide what YOU want to think for YOURSELF.



IMHO you're all just as bad as the people you fight. all i see is contradiction and hyppocrisy.


yes, even in myself by pointing this out, but im rather tired of it, and hope maybe y'all will stop and look at what you're doing BEFORE you do it...

I understand exactly what your saying when you talk about me contradicting myself. The only difference between the two fear-based philosophies on life is that one(Religion) is based on what other people say, and on evidence from the past that is no longer credible. The other(Darwinism) is based on evidence that you can actually see in front of you, with no room for tampering by humans, unlike religions.

I usually don't like to voice my opinion because I usually don't care enough to, and I usually hate it when people actually care about something enough to have a lot of emotion about it. But I have been thinking about this topic as of late and decided to post my thoughts.

Am I a hypocrite? Yes. Should I be ashamed of this? No.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol yeah that's how i feel, that at the end.

no shame man


it's the hyppocrites who smoke tobacco and say pot is dangerous :man: they should be shot.

[F L E S H]

Fact is, we're beyond religion. It's simply not needed anymore, and clinging to it will be our doom.

Yeah, most wars and fighting have a religious component, and often also a deeper, geo-political component too, but it's too easy to stir up some fury using religion as an excuse. Look at those damned cartoons, now every muslim country is using them as an excuse to kill people. That's what it is, an excuse to do whatever the fuck you want.

Religion has been nothing more than an excuse and a tool for manipulation for centuries, used by people with power to get the masses to do their dirty work. There is absolutely no value in organized religion, it's all a sham. However, that doesn't mean we should throw spirituality out the window.

Everything about our civilization and society has evolved, from politics, to technology, to science, to philosophy and everything else. Why can't religion or spirituality evolve? Because we're "not allowed" to question it, it's politically incorrect... Don't you find it strange that if we were to talk with someone who lived 1,000 years ago, the only thing we could talk about is religion, since it's the only thing that hasn't changed in the past millenium?

Most organized religions are repositories for outdated, even barbarous, ideals and values, and that's what we have to overcome.


mrpink, you're right when you say fear is at the root of this, fear of the unknown... But today, there's nothing to be afraid of anymore, with the exception, I guess, of death...

[mont974x4]

Without religion of any sort on what do you base your values, morals, and ethics? Meaning, how do you justify your stance on ethical issues?

I think there are 4 general views.
1. relativism
2. emotivism
3. intuitionism

the first 3 are based more on gut feelings or instinct based and look inward

4. definism...looks outside of us, whether it's looking to the Bible or another ethical guide, for example


The problem as I see it is with the first 3 we can be more easily swayed. What may be the right choice now may not be the right choice in the same or similar situation tomorrow. There is also the danger of a society taking relativism to the extreme, and generally a sociopath does, "well it felt right at the time" or some such comment is most often heard folowing their capture.

How's that song go? You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything?

I have much more respect for someone that I disagree with if they can point to a reasonable explanation about why they think what they think than I do for someone I agree with that can't justify why they believe what they believe.

[Cygnus X1]

Organized religion and the bible make me laugh. My grandpa is a pastor and has had his own church for about 25 years [ever since he left my grandma and married a religious woman...who he cheated on my grandma with...hmmm ]

Look...all things aside...no one is right so far...so why argue about it when we can discuss it? Why does every religious conversation have to be a fight for the right to say your right? Religious people kill me though...in an aruguement their responses usuall tend to be something along "Because God made it." or "Because God said so." Athiest are also funny...If you truely believe in no God...why do you celebrate Christmas?

[mont974x4]

I am against organized religion.

Of course, those that point to past mistakes and hinge their opinions on that are as bad as the "holier than thou" christian.

Part of the problem is the intolerance of many of those preaching tolerance.
The flipside is those Christians that refuse to be real. I am a Christian and believe in the Bible. That being said I try to not come across holier than thou or hide my own struggles as I learn and grow through this life. Being a Christian does not mean life is always roses and it doesn't mean I am perfect.

[MoonStarer420]

Without religion of any sort on what do you base your values, morals, and ethics?

This is badly worded but I'm sure you'll get the idea:

Simple (at least in idea form), create laws and ideas that promote betterment for our species and our planet. If we set goals to help our fellow "man" and develop methods for the survival for our species.

These are just a few I can think of:
Donâ??t kill
Drop food and aid not bombs
Use renewable energy
Cut down on pollutants
Welfare
Free Medicare
Free school and college
Some sort of population limit control


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