Would an Athiest be an Evolutionists?

[siSTARindigo]

"THOUGHTS ON EVOLUTION"
Adapted from the book; Lifeâ??s Story by Mark Haville

A coral reef is one of the worlds many interdependent eco-systems. An eco-system is an environment which contains a variety of life-forms that cannot survive without each other. Ultimately the whole earth is an eco-system delicately balanced to sustain life. A relationship where creatures depend on each other for survival is called symbiosis. Of course if different creatures depend on each other to stay alive now, the question we must ask is have they always done so in the past? And if they didnâ??t evolutionists need to come up with evidence to prove their hypothesesâ??. A Theory-tale is not true science.

To answer this question, and others that contradict widely accepted ideas about life on earth, consider these facts from the coral reef fish of the world. Coral Reef fish have more than a tale to see, they have a tale to tell. It's a story that can be understood by everyone, from the simplest child, to the most educated professor. Imagine how incredible it would be if a collection of books existed that taught how to design a coral reef fish. Their pages would have to contain the exact details for every cell and tissue type, the data for big every internal organ, eye and fin should be; and what colour and markings each fish would have and how each piece would be positioned in its body. The information that determines how every living thing is built is called DNA, Deoxyribonucleic acid. Just a pinhead of this DNA holds sufficient information to fill enough books stacked in a single column to reach from the Earth to the Moon and back over 500 times. Miraculously, every living creature contains all its instructions for life in this microscopic code called DNA.

When Charles Darwin wrote his Origin of Species, he knew nothing of DNA and the microscopic codes of life. If he did, his book might never have been published because the DNA tells a story evolutionists don't want you to know. DNA is made of sugars, phosphates and bases. None of its component parts contain any information in and of themselves. It is only in the arrangement of the parts that the code is formed. It is like the very words you are reading. Neither the ink nor the paper (or in this case the characters on your screen) that is the parts, contain the information. It is only in the arrangement of these letters that information is communicated. If you swallow a page from a book, or memorise the words on your screen they will never produce anything.

All codes are therefore evidence of outside intelligence because someone must have assigned meaning to the letters or parts. There must also be an agreement between both the writer and the readers as to what is being communicated.

This debate over the origins of life has raged for a 150 years, but now finally for anyone with any intellectual honesty the debate is over. This is because Darwinâ??s â??theoriesâ?� were not founded upon â??truly scientific principles; neither did he have access to the information available to us today.

DNA research has now proven conclusively that macro-evolution is impossible, because like fish, all living things have an in-built flexibility in their DNA blueprints of life. The flexibility allows for things like adaptations in size, colour and patterning; but the gene pool has a fixed limit to its flexibility and this limit cannot be stretched. So the amount of adaptation that takes place, never results in one kind of animal changing into another kind.

Whether it is pigeons, dogs or horses breeders have faced these boundaries for centuries. Dog breeders have produced many new species but there is always a limit to what you can do. Some breeds have breathing problems or other weaknesses as a result of selective breeding. The breeding of race horses encounters the same challenges. Ultimately breeders can only go so far before they have to return to the original parent stock.

Through all of this new kinds of animals are never produced only new species of the original parent kind. This means for example that you could breed two different species of horse together and produce a hybrid or a third new species but it would still be a family member of the horse kind. Horses cannot breed with cows or sheep. Even breeding a horse with a donkey will only produce a mule that is almost always sterile. Like horses that only breed horses, fish are still only breeding fish. Centuries of scientific observation testifies to the stubbornness of animals to become anything else.

The option taken by many scientists is to re-define new species to mean new kinds. A German professor once told me how different types of Finches that could no longer breed proved the theory of evolution as the ability to breed is one of the determining factors of speciation. Yes, I replied but they are still Finches! New species yes, but not new kinds. This blurring of terms has confused many people for too long.



As you can see, both of these are species of fish, but the same kind of fish, if they could breed together and produce a different kind of animal, like a Dolphin or a Turtle that would be macro-evolution. Micro-evolution, producing new species of the same kind is observed all the time.



These reproduction facts have been observed for centuries but now the study of DNA has provided fascinating evidence of a mechanism that helps prevent the DNA's coded information from being corrupted. Although the DNA code has a built-in ability to change, mistakes occur each time cells divide and copy their DNA. These mutations would be very destructive were it not for the code checking mechanism involving DNA polymerase. When new cells are being constructed, the checking mechanism makes sure that every building plan dispatched to construct each new part, is exactly the same as the original code. This is rather like checking photocopies to see if they are the same as the original. DNA Polymerase is there to stop mutations and protect against harmful changes, and because additional information cannot be added through mutations or any other means, the adaptations that do occasionally take place in animals never become more complex in nature, as required to support the theory of macro-evolution.

This is so basic to biology that it is absurd to suggest another option. If you have animal A and you breed it with animal B, then animal C, that is the offspring can only ever be a combination of the information from A + B. To become something else requires new information, and chemicals. Where would they come from? And how would they become part of the process?

Evolutionists make only fanciful suggestions and the theory-tale is expanded. This means that new kinds of animals can never be produced only variations, or new species of the existing types and kinds of animals. Despite being a keen observer of natural history Darwin refused to accept that there were fixed created boundaries between the very different and distinct animal kinds.

True testable science like DNA research now proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt and leaves no room for fanciful theories or â??interpretationsâ?�. The science of the classification of species into distinct animal kinds is called Taxonomy. This science of Taxonomy was developed by a creationist not an evolutionist and one is left to wonder why evolutionists try to hide these facts, probably because there simply is no real scientific evidence to support their ideas.

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siSTARindigo Reviewed by siSTARindigo on 02-15-2006. Would an Athiest be an Evolutionists? "THOUGHTS ON EVOLUTION" Adapted from the book; Lifeâ??s Story by Mark Haville A coral reef is one of the worlds many interdependent eco-systems. An eco-system is an environment which contains a variety of life-forms that cannot survive without each other. Ultimately the whole earth is an eco-system delicately balanced to sustain life. A relationship where creatures depend on each other for survival is called symbiosis. Of course if different creatures depend on each other to stay alive now, Rating: 5

[F L E S H]

Wow... Just wow...

Talk about a patronizing piece of trash article. I've rarely read anything so insulting to human intelligence.

Anyway, we just had a topic on Evolution not long, and I think everything's been said in there.

You know, creationists everywhere are scrambling to change their theories to this "intelligent design", though believe there's nothing intelligent about that. Also, saying that evolution ist just a theory proves nothing. Electricity is "just" a theory, yet it powers the world. Gravity is also just a theory, yet we're not floating into space as we speak. Intelligent design, on the other hand, is the last attempt for creationists to hold onto their fairy tale world, where good gentle beings put together little moecules called DNA into a divine order which brings true human life on Earth.

[F L E S H]

(Wanted to add this but time ran out... )

The only thing that interests me about this debate is the fact that it happens only in the US. I have never heard of anybody else in the world debating this. I have nevert Headr of an Italian creationist, or a Bristish one, or a Chinese one either (and let's stop kidding ourselves, intelligent design was only invented to cater to creationists). Why is that? Are Americans theonly people smart enough to doubt evolution?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

evolution occours within the creator just as much as it does the creations.


when you paint a picture, does the paint not evolve and take form at your own whims? a better example is a story, movie, videogame, or piece of music. those are our creations, and we have controll over their own evolution. pretend they have a conscious mind, do they believe in us or our controll over their evolution?

[MoonStarer420]

An eco-system is an environment which contains a variety of life-forms that cannot survive without each other.

Huge assumption is made here that these animals were always dependant on each other.

The information that determines how every living thing is built is called DNA...the gene pool has a fixed limit to its flexibility and this limit cannot be stretched...but there is always a limit to what you can do...[/

This information codes for certain proteins not for a specific organism itself. A tomato would not be what it is unless it's DNA coded for the proteins to manufacture it. Yet we can alter the DNA with that of fish and produce ones resistance to frost. DNA is interchangeable between every living organism. Doesnâ??t this imply a common origin or at least give an idea that there could be one? How is this system not flexible when it's "built" out of interchangeable parts?

..the DNA tells a story evolutionists don't want you to know......wonder why evolutionists try to hide these facts, probably because there simply is no real scientific evidence to support their ideas.

Bullshit. Scientist is always open to share their evidence and their ideas.

All codes are therefore evidence of outside intelligence because someone must have assigned meaning to the letters or parts.

Another huge assumption.

...Darwinâ??s â??theoriesâ?� were not founded upon â??truly scientific principles...

Darwinâ??s original ideas were based on direct observations. These ideas were then built upon by other scientists to create todayâ??s ideas of evolution.

...breeders have faced these boundaries for centuries...

"Centuries" is the key word here. Evolution happens on the order of hundreds of thousands to millions of years! And it usually doesnâ??t show up until a major cataclysmic event that forces species to change rapidly (still in the order of hundreds of thousands of years.) (Past eventâ??s: Snowball Earth, Dinosaurs getting wiped out, any large scale extinction event) To say that no new species of horses were seen in "centuries" is complete bullshit. They werenâ??t breeding for new species in the first place. Only for certain features.

This guy's story is full of holes. I'm pretty sure you just posted this to waste my time because you knew I'd respond to it.

[MoonStarer420]

The only thing that interests me about this debate is the fact that it happens only in the US.

Yea seriously, I feel most of the world is laughing at us.

[MoonStarer420]

evolution occurs within the creator just as much as it does the creations.

... we have control over their own evolution....

If your talking God=Universe then I'm with you.

We do in some respect. I think we do technologically (and someday I hope socially.) I know what you mean is mentally or the evolution of the mind. But I still don't think were anything but an extremely complex carbon based system run on chemical energy and electrical impulses.

[siSTARindigo]

This guy's story is full of holes. I'm pretty sure you just posted this to waste my time because you knew I'd respond to it.

Yes, because that is all I think about, YOU!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

If your talking God=Universe then I'm with you.

We do in some respect. I think we do technologically (and someday I hope socially.) I know what you mean is mentally or the evolution of the mind. But I still don't think were anything but an extremely complex carbon based system run on chemical energy and electrical impulses.

and it was that ever evolving consciousness that CREATED the chemecal energy, carbon, and electrical impulses, which followed suit and evolved on their own, as well as at the command of whatever you want to think of as being "God", be it the universe collectively, or just the awareness behind the creation of said univers. i say both

[MoonStarer420]

Yes, because that is all I think about, YOU!

I only thought so because you posting this right after we were talking about evolution in another thread.