I hate to burst your bubble BA but it really is possible for a virgin to get pregnant and in today's world, even maintain her virginity after childbirth. Now I don't think they were performing C-sections 2000 years ago but virgin conception is a documented medical possibility. If those little man-critters get on the outside of a womans vagina, without any penetration involved, they can and occasionally do (although rarely) make the big salmon run upstream to the egg factory. As for the existance of god, or gods or deities in general, it's the ultimate catch-22 scenario since one can neither prove nor disprove the existance of a supreme being or beings. You either believe or you don't. It doesn't make you a barbarian or a savage if you believe nor does it make you a satanist or enlightened if you choose not to believe. People make these choices based on a huge number of factors including their upbringing, personal experience, the experiences of others or the inability of one or the other to make an effective case for their beliefs. Torog chooses to believe, you do not. Odds are that this one fact will never change.

"Swear there ain't no heaven and pray there ain't no hell?"