Where Do You Stand On Homosexuality?

[siSTARindigo]

I didn't read all of these because I am sure I have heard both sides. I did read the first few, and was pleasantly suprised

I personally am not gay. But I have an uncle who is. He was a virgin for a very long time because he didn't want to be a sinner. He also knew he was gay when he was 5. He is now open, and we all love him VERY much.

I do know that HE did not choose this. It is just the way it is. He tried damn hard to fit in, at the loss of tons of self esteem, and many unhappy years that didn't have to be unhappy. He even battled drug addictions because he was do depressed. I do believe that some people want attention, and can "choose" to be gay to get it. But I am not talking about them, cause they are doing ANYTHING to get attention, not just "being" gay.

I think that it is not up to anyone person to judge. If you don't like it, don't think about it. But no person is worthy of judging another persons worthyness. If that makes sense.

Some would actually disown family over this crap. I try to never ever ingage in negativity to the degree of hate. I know that I would never let something like who a person is attracted to drive me away from family, that is for damn sure. And if my son is gay? Then he is gay, and hopefully really good with colors so he can help me shop I hope he isn't, so he can have a bunch of little kids who look and act just like him!! But life is what it is.

I have always had big hands. I have always hated them, and wanted smaller hands. But there are things about this life, this body, whatever that can't be changed. These things have to be accepted, because it is what it is.

Eva

[lemonboy]

As to not touching pig flesh etc. the OT Law no lnger applies. One, I'm not a Jew and two, Jesus fullfilled the Law so we are no lnger bound by it as the Jews were.

My argument... made IRRELEVANT in one sentence. It's not that I'm wrong... it's that it just "doesn't matter". Classic.

See, now Christians feel comfortable interpreting biblical fact to suit the needs of their individual sect (or denomination if you like pretty words). I appreciate you providing a proper demonstration for the children.

I stand by my charge of selective reading skills

[siSTARindigo]

Fair enough.

Scripturally, man not animals were made in Gods image. Also, God breathed life into man, not animals. This is why I say animals have no soul. No where in the Bible does it say that animals are to repent from sin.

As to not touching pig flesh etc. the OT Law no lnger applies. One, I'm not a Jew and two, Jesus fullfilled the Law so we are no lnger bound by it as the Jews were.

Animals have souls. Sorry, but they do. I have had to many of them to know that they are just like us, yet very different. Meaning, they communicate with one another, they love, they like, and dislike. But they are a whole different species, therefor we just don't get them. They are SO very smart.

And god created everything, we are each a piece of him. He is ALL of our father. It would not be here if it were not created by god. Animals, gays, you, me, jesus.

Eva

[mont974x4]

I like a good discussion. Can you show me where it says the OT Law applies to Christians? Not trying to beat on you, I just want know where you're coming from for the sake of the discussion.


I'm looking at Acts 10 and 11 on the clean vs. unclean issue. Luke 24:44 concerns Jesus and the Law.

[mont974x4]

Eva, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the animals having a soul issue. They certainly have character and intelligence but from a biblical standpoint I can't agree with them having a soul.

[lemonboy]

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17

The quote game is fun although not one I really care to play as interpretation is the issue at the very heart of my argument.

I simply contend that being a Christian means accepting all of the laws, not just the ones that allow us to feel smug about ourselves. If you can't do that then you are effectively practicing a new-age interpretation of Christianity.

[lemonboy]

Oh it just hit me that you asked for a quote from the OT. Oh well. That one is from a book you DO read so it should be a little more credible

[mont974x4]

The last thing I want to do is misinterpret Scripture. Please, show me where I am wrong. That's part of being in the family of God. If one of us get's some weird idea from our own interpretation we need to help keep each other in check.


My understanding is that Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice for our sins. With His death and resurection all that we now have to do is believe on Him for salvation. Then the sanctification process begins as we grow in maturity as Christians.


I also believe that Jesus was arguing against the Pharisees about the Law. They were so busy keeping the Law, and all the traditions added to it, that they neglected the heart.

[mont974x4]

I did not specify where I wanted a quote from, I just wanted to know from where you based your beleif.

BTW, I read the whole thing. It depends on what subject I am studying and I go from there. I am also reading through it start to finish. I am currently in Psalms.

[Fengzi]

The profession that produces the most pedophile offenders is priestcraft - hands down.

IF I had a kid, I wouldn't leave him or her alone with ANY person in the clergy.

"That's not what Jesus had in mind when he said "Suffer the Little Children to Come Unto Me"" -George Carlin



I live in the San Francisco area so I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of homosexuals. I have to say that 100% of them were really cool people. I don't think I can say that about 50% of the straight people I've met. Bottom line is that a person should be judged by their character, not their sexual preference.

As far as people saying it's "Against God's Plan", "Unnatural" etc-FUCK YOU. Whenever I hear this I think about me and my wife. At one time the same arguments were used to describe our realtionship and it wasn't that long ago (as late as the 1960's) that my marraige would have been illegal in some Bible thumping states. You see, I'm White and my wife is Chinese. Whenever I hear people saying this stuff about gays I think what my life would have been like 50 years ago (probably still would be in Toreg's home town) and it really pisses me off.