Abortion. Justified or not?

[Torog]

What are you views on abortion?

I support abortion but I think the time that an abortion should be carried out by should be lowered because babies that are born extremely prematurely are surviving at an even lower pregnancy.

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...

like i said before... why ruin three lives when you can stop one from happening.

[Torog]

like i said before... why ruin three lives when you can stop one from happening.

Howdy pablo,

Every child is a blessing and lives can be changed for the better,by taking on the responsibility of parent-hood and who knows..could be the parents will fall in love with their child and be forever the better for it.

At what point,do the parents take responsibility for their bad choices ? In the liberal world,it don't happen much,because liberals believe that they have the right to engage in irresponsible sex..and if a child is a result of such,and is an 'in-convience',they can just trot on down to their nearest baby-killing clinic..then go out and do it all over again..pretty dang sad.

Again I ask--why must the child suffer for the debauchery and sins of it's parents ?

Have a good one ...

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Every child is a blessing and lives can be changed for the better,by taking on the responsibility of parent-hood and who knows..could be the parents will fall in love with their child and be forever the better for it.

At what point,do the parents take responsibility for their bad choices ? In the liberal world,it don't happen much,because liberals believe that they have the right to engage in irresponsible sex..and if a child is a result of such,and is an 'in-convience',they can just trot on down to their nearest baby-killing clinic..then go out and do it all over again..pretty dang sad.

Again I ask--why must the child suffer for the debauchery and sins of it's parents ?

Have a good one ...

i understand your point but look at it like this. if you make them have the kid, what kind of life will that kid have?? you can say they might fall in love with it, but lets face it and be realistic. why force people who are unable or unwilling to commit to parenthood into it, when we have an alternative. There is plenty of people out there that are ready to commit to having and caring for a child, so why fill the world with children that have been raised by unfit parents?

[Torog]

i understand your point but look at it like this. if you make them have the kid, what kind of life will that kid have?? you can say they might fall in love with it, but lets face it and be realistic. why force people who are unable or unwilling to commit to parenthood into it, when we have an alternative. There is plenty of people out there that are ready to commit to having and caring for a child, so why fill the world with children that have been raised by unfit parents?

Howdy pablo,

Well..I'm an old fashioned feller,I think folks engaging in casual sex that results in a child,deserve the 'punishment' of having to be accountable for their choices..and if they means raising a child and gittin married--then so be it. I say --unfit parents..need to be transformed into fit parents,or else git sterilized until they are ready to accept the consequences of irresponsible sex. I believe in adoption,but not adoption by gays.

Bringing a child into the world,and raising it,is greater than the wants and needs of the parents. When a child is born,it's time for the parents to grow up and be responsible,not to shirk responsibility and go on leading lives of irresponsiblity..and the child should have the right to life..because every child has the potential of being greater than the sum of it's parents.

Have a good one ....

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Well..I'm an old fashioned feller,I think folks engaging in casual sex that results in a child,deserve the 'punishment' of having to be accountable for their choices..and if they means raising a child and gittin married--then so be it. I say --unfit parents..need to be transformed into fit parents,or else git sterilized until they are ready to accept the consequences of irresponsible sex. I believe in adoption,but not adoption by gays.

Bringing a child into the world,and raising it,is greater than the wants and needs of the parents. When a child is born,it's time for the parents to grow up and be responsible,not to shirk responsibility and go on leading lives of irresponsiblity..and the child should have the right to life..because every child has the potential of being greater than the sum of it's parents.

Have a good one ....

Lets just agree that there are good points for and against this issue and we will never change eachothers views.

[Torog]

Lets just agree that there are good points for and against this issue and we will never change eachothers views.

Howdy pablo,

Agreeing to disagree ? I like that ! :thumbsup:

I'm pretty set in my beliefs,but I do try to remain open to reason and to be able to allow for some flexibility on issues..I realise that I don't have all of the answers and never will.

Have a good one !

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Agreeing to disagree ? I like that ! :thumbsup:

I'm pretty set in my beliefs,but I do try to remain open to reason and to be able to allow for some flexibility on issues..I realise that I don't have all of the answers and never will.

Have a good one !

Good talking with you Torog, you're the most level-headed person on here... PS i wish i was in Texas where it was warm, it's about 20 degrees here:rasta:

[ultimatenyc]

why bring an unwanted child into this world?

[pabloescobar209]

why bring an unwanted child into this world?

well torog is saying people have to be accountable for there actions, which i don't dissagree with... but i think that a child growing up with "unfit"( unfit meaning... not financially stable, mentally stable, or just being plain bad parents... ei Brittney Spears driving with her 5month old in her lap) just makes for a polluted society filled with people who aren't raised right and end up like killers, paris hilton etc. but torog makes the point that a child can become more than the sum of it's parents... any argument can be cancelled out by an agrument from the opposite point of view... so why argue???