Quote Originally Posted by mont974x4
Les,
that decision would have been rebellion. Read Numbers 14 and see how God handled the rebellious people. The Isrealites were told to go in and possess the land. God promised to drive their enemies from before them. This includes wars that it took to clear the land. God's concern was that His people would play the harlot to the gods of the people in the land. Those who chose the appeasement routte did eventually fall into worshipping false gods and they were punsihed for it.

Again assumtion of making war to achieve a goal is wrong!
They were not told by God to go to war!

Yes the people rased up and questioned Mose and Aron..
They wanted to take the land by forceful measures...They saw that it was good land!...and assumed God was going to give them this land, they made plans for it...and questioned and rased up the people before Aron and Moses...rebellion?
numbers 14:10 then the glory of the lord appeared at the tent of meeting to all the Israelites, 14:11 and the lord said to Mose "How long will this people despise me?
and how long will they refuse to believe in me, inspite of all the signs that I have done among them? 14:12 I will strike them with pestilence and disinherit them, and I will make of you a nation greater and mightier than they.

For Moses knew the heart of God was a peaceful one!

From my understanding God was against this war they had planned out!

God doesn't need people to fight for him!
He wants obedience from the people!..he wants helpers in the garden!

I just find it odd that they would include this part in the bible, if it didn't mean something to someone then, then It does now.
Spy out Canaan and take some fruit/seed....
Now why would they do that?...God wanted to restore Eden with them perhaps?
And God mentions all the signs of glory he had performed, so we could see that anything is possible with God.

If God was going to move those people off the land slowly (as it says), then the Jews should have waited for God to do just that...In the mean time, they should have sowed some seeds, and waited out the Master builder.
Thus they don't break any commandments, and they help restore Eden at the same time with God!
I don't think that God would give them laws/commandments to uphold, and then go off and break those very laws, over land issues, when they already had land and water in the wilderness.
They could of set up shop in the wilderness, and made friends with their new neighbors!
"Love they neighbor as they self"

God says he would remove any enemy that came forth, and scatter them.
Thus he would protect the new nation with his own glory and righteousness!
And making friends in the area, would help trade routes...more nations would join them in friendship, and the world would eventually be one big garden!

Here is another odd part of the bible: Mathew 24 you cannot serve God and wealth...This leads to Idolatry, and a false Demi god...
Seems the hole world is using Money today...and then God turns his back.
Christ said Satan is already in the world...and he was right!
The complete opposite to God's will and word is showing as a face on the western industrialized world!
Saying they are free...free from what?...and making wars built up on lies, and underhanded deals gone astray..asking for human sacrifice...We can see clearly now it is for control of Oil wealth....and why these odd things are taking place with the weather, and the fire seasons have started, and the threat of plagues is ringing in my ear, while they dash blood on the taxed hand.

Are we helping in the garden if we have Ozone decay,tainted fish, sick chickens,Madcows...poisoned produce,Pollution of the elements, genetically modified foods=selfishness.
If this pathway continues, it speaks a visual language for Humankind, to all life on this planet!

Now I also Know God made covenants with them as well.
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