GOD

[siSTARindigo]

At least that essay Flesh posted wasn't blatantly offensive and insulting as a lot of anti-God stuff I've seen.


I do find it interesting that he chose the name "flesh" lol maybe a subconcious decision based on the ongoing battle between the spiritual man and the flesh?

We all are born with an idea of something bigger than us. Almost an inutitive knowldege that there is a God. As we grow up we either choose to deny it, ignore it, or embrace it. I find it interesting that so much effort is expended to fight the existence of God.

Ditto, on all of it I was actually just thinking that. At least there were references.

The "theory" of GOD has been around by far the longest. I am about to start a thread on the "intuition" thing too

And his efforts are quite interesting. I did some reading up, and both of his parents are hard core "religous" people. Kids who aren't allowed to find themselves, for themselves either totally rebel like flesh, sucumb to it and put their kids through the same shit, or else they break free and are able to see past the pettyness of "religion" and some of their "rules", and find themselves. That is what I find disappointing in the "church" systems.

Eva

[mont974x4]

lol The evidence comes from society. Every society looks for something outside themselves for explanations and reasons for things they experience.

[F L E S H]

Here's another exerpt from our friend Sam Harris....

"The notion that the bible is a perfect guide to morality is really quite amazing, given the contents of the book. Human sacrifice, genocide, slaveholding, and misogyny are consistently celebrated. Of course, Godâ??s counsel to parents is refreshingly straightforward: whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13: 24, 20:30, and 23:13-14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark.7:9-13 and Matthew 15:4-7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and for a wide variety of other imaginary crimes. Most Christians imagine that Jesus did away with all this barbarism and delivered a doctrine of pure love and toleration. He didnâ??t (Matthew 5:18-19, Luke 16:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 20-21, John 7:19). Anyone who believes that Jesus only taught the Golden Rule and love of oneâ??s neighbor should go back and read the New Testament. And pay particular attention to the morality that will be on display if he ever returns to Earth trailing clouds of glory (e.g. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, 2:8; Hebrews 10:28-29; 2 Peter 3:7; and all of Revelation). It is not an accident that St. Thomas Aquinas thought heretics should be killed and that St. Augustine thought they should be tortured. (Ask yourself, what are the chances that these good doctors of the Church hadnâ??t read the New Testament closely enough to discover the error of their ways?) As a source of objective morality, the bible is one of the worst books we have. It might have been the very worst, in fact, if we didnâ??t also happen to have the Koran."

I think you'll find references to both the Old and New Testament... Well, so much for Jesus making things right!

[siSTARindigo]

ON the contrary. You don't understand atheism because you haven't put much thought into it. I don't care what hapens after I die because, um, I'm dead. I take responsibility for what I do here and now. I suffer the consequences in the present. I live my life in the present. I don't lok to get brownie points with a man upstairs so that I could have an eternal life after I die.

Actually I believe in reincarnation, so GOD doesn't dole out my brownie points, or take them away. I DO!!!! You so don't understand me, and I SO don't understand you. I don't know how that became and argument.....

It seems you hinting at ethics and morality, and in that discussion let me point out that to you that religion is not the only way to ethics and morality. If we were to live according to the rules in the Bible, for example, we would stoning adulteresses, heretics and people who work on the Sabbath, not to mention homosexuals.... But we read that today and know that that is not the correct way to morality and ethics. How do we know that? Because we have another, deeper set of ethics and morality above and beyond the Bible or the Qur'an. Just another hint that Bible and its ilk are completely obsolete.

So sick of repeating myself....to you!! I have already told you, I don't believe every single word in the bible, any of them!! Mont does, so what! You aren't such a youngin' quit acting like It.

Eva

[mont974x4]

True, Eva. That is why I am anti-religion and for the relationship with God. It is a deeply personal relationship.

It also seems to me that most anti-religion and anti-God people usually grew up in Catholic homes. I think this may be because they experience more religion and tradition than the relationship side? Or perhaps they are taught God is out to punish them at every turn?

I don't know, just something I was thinking about.

[siSTARindigo]

FLESH, this started out a nice conversation. This is not the place for your athiest documents. This thread I mean, start another thread in the spirituality board if you like. But I know I am not even reading the shit, so It is just taking up a bunch of space, and making you look desperate. Now your the virtual athiest knocking of our virtual doors saying, "SEE, SEE, LOOKY HERE!"

[F L E S H]

I don't know, and I honestly don't care what you believe in. You launch some statements at me, and I reply, that's all. I've been repeating the same shtick to new members for about 1 and a half years on this board, I've been doing much more repeating that you anyway...

[Sir Les]

Doesn't The Christ call God the father, when asked how to pray?
Father being male ...thus needing a female to have a son to begin with!...virgin Mary

So the virgin birth might be possible, as being a purely Holy event...and giving God a sex of being Male...Christ the son of Jwhw, born into human form...sent into death, by God to teach us how to follow the pathway back to paradise = life eternal with Jwhw....Eden!
If we study the Genesis, we find human kind was sent out of Eden onto death/Earth...a alternate or opposite reality...what was tame in 'Eden, is now wild on Earth...and in death they had children...but did not do as God said!
What was at peace is now made violent!
And God's words when sent out of Eden, for their disobedience, were scribed out for us to follow!=Genesis
Genesis 3:17 in this reality, we are to eat of it (tree of knowedge) all the days of our lives.
Thus God gave "instruction" about that which caused us to be expelled from paradise!
This tree or plant, that God put at the center of the garden of Eden, held a prominate place, for good reason!
And we are now in a reality where there are opposites to God's instructions and will!...that we are responsible for making!
If we behold the Genesis, and think on it long enough, we can see what we are suppose to do for God is replace what was taken sinlessly from the center of his garden, repent,Correct the error of our ways, and become clean and pure of heart , mind, and spirit..respecting all God Made, on both sides of this reflection or alternate universe!

Thus violence is not in our true nature, if we follow Christ and his word is peace, harmony, and righteousness!
He points out that the commandments are not enough to gain exceptance and passage to paradise by God, but they are a stepping stone towards the truth and the doorway....so the commandments alone do not gain God's favor...Nor does planting (restoring) the tree of knowledge on it's own, gain forgiveness!
But together they complete the word of God...and thus the ones who do Gods word and fulfill it, are welcome to enter Eden/paradise/heaven...or will stand up at the end, and they will be brought before God...they will enter heaven...or new heaven and new Earth, for death will be no more!
Because they will understand God Loves all life!...Death has no value, other than what is in death God loves, and wants us to come out of death!
Some forms of life have a placement that gives them reign or function above others...that is why a tree of knowledge was at the center of Eden to begin with...Putting this back sinlessly and with a pure heart, mind, and spirit is "The Way"..And we are tested in this reality, to see if we pass the test!
God doesn't want any sin to enter his reality, because it is a fragile reality!
One has to be trustworthy enough, not to alter the construct, or foundation of its principles, and rules it functions under!

Remember Moses walked on Holy Ground, that surounded the burning Bush!
(Take thy shoes from off thy feet, for this is holy ground)... To connect to God completely, his feet needed to be bare, so the electrical vibration of the plant life he stud on, could connect through his feet to his mind!
Thus the plants were used as a transit or medium, to tranfer information from one source, to another!

Plants are intelligent life forms!

I like to believe that Marijuana is this tree of knowledge!
And that we have been given this plant to make a symatry or likeness of Eden on Earth, so that God (Jwhw) can come through into this reality, and take those who have passed on...that have done his will,are doing his will, and helping those lost on the pathway, trying to complete his word and will with Christ....Nothing more!

It all started with the garden and a tree of knowledge..it will all end with the garden restored by human hand in some form!
Acts 3:21 the universal restoration!...meaning a complete likeness of the garden, including Marijuana, and other plants humans seem to frown upon!

Now take a look at what humans are doing to this planet...do you honestly think God would let any humans into his garden that disobey his word and will?
Be honest...are we the caretakers God intended us to be?
Genesis 2:15...
And why do we judge other life, and make them outlawed, when God already judged them as being Good, or clean?
Acts 10:15



Let your yes mean yes, and your no mean no!=Logics
So read the Bible using Logics!

And I say: a healthy garden begets healthy people!

Qoutes taken from the new revised edition of the Holy Bible!

[F L E S H]

FLESH, this started out a nice conversation. This is not the place for your athiest documents. This thread I mean, start another thread in the spirituality board if you like. But I know I am not even reading the shit, so It is just taking up a bunch of space, and making you look desperate. Now your the virtual athiest knocking of our virtual doors saying, "SEE, SEE, LOOKY HERE!"

LOL!

then you tell me to act my age... I post here because at least you have a CHANCE to read them... you'd never read a text like this if a I made another topic about it anyway. Why don't you read it? are you afraid? Are you worried about some cosmic retribution if you even consider what's writen in there?

You made a tpoic, posted some stuff about God, so post about the alternative. Why don't you read and give your thoughts? It's not boring, it's well written, and it's entertaining (well, the same way a car crash is entertaining to look at...)

[siSTARindigo]

True, Eva. That is why I am anti-religion and for the relationship with God. It is a deeply personal relationship.

It also seems to me that most anti-religion and anti-God people usually grew up in Catholic homes. I think this may be because they experience more religion and tradition than the relationship side? Or perhaps they are taught God is out to punish them at every turn?

I don't know, just something I was thinking about.

That is exactly what I think. My hubby is catholic (and I am pretty sure fleshes parents were too. Dad goes to church every sunday, yadda, yadda). I got married in that church, and had to go through a lot to do so. I am not a catholic, I was LUCKY to have the privlege of using their church, since the family had such close ties. Please. And my mother in law, woman is always sending us stuff cause our son hasn't been baptized yet. OH dear god, my child who was born in sin will go to hell if I don't have him baptized before he dies. I doubt it. I prefer to let my son make his own decisions when he is old enough to understand what he is doing.

Eva