"My right to not get shot is more important then your right to own a gun."

If you were breaking in my home, you would have no right not to be shot, I would have a right to shoot you in defence though. Other then something like that, you have nothing to fear from my guns, or the Freedom to own guns. The fact that some "people" use guns for bad things, does not give you the right to take everyones guns. You have no right to feel completely safe from other peoples Freedoms. You have no right to take anothers Freedom so that you may feel a little safer. It would not make you any safer anyway. If someone was going to kill you, they could still do it without a gun. Saying your rights are more importent then others is, well, kind of selfish isn't it? I have a right to life also. If I can not defend my life, I may lose it. My right to life is no more or less importent then yours.

"Sure they can, the right of a kid to a state funded education, supersedes your right to not be taxed."

State funded education is a right? Could you show me where in the US constitution it says you have a right to force someone to pay for anothers education with taxation? Telling people how they have to spend their money is tyranny, not some kind of right.

"Its real easy, be as free as you want as long as your freedom doesnt affect or annoy me in any way."

So if you find my Freedom of speech annoying, then your saying I have no right to do it? If my Freedom to own a gun annoys your sense of safety, then do you have a right to do away with my safety. No, you don't have that right. You don't have a right to decide what Freedoms are more importent then others, mainly because they are all importent.

"I think collective rights are more important than individual rights"

This type of thinking has been tried before, and failed. Several times. What your saying, and I don't know if you realize this or not, is that the government has more rights then the people. It is in the best intrest of the people to keep all rights individual. When you pick collectivism over individualism, then your saying government control is better then individual Freedom.

"The problem i have with libertarinism is it views every man as an island, and doesnt allow for acknowledgement of any sort of responsibility to society."

Your wrong about that. Libertarians are all about responsibility for our actions. If you could show me where our government gets it's permision to give to charity, I would sure like to see it? Say you have more then me because I am lazy and your not. Do you feel it would be your responsibility to give me some of yours? Would you feel you owe me because I had less then you?

"you are not an island onto yourself"

Your not exactly a group either, but thats what your saying. We are all different. We are individuals. Collectivism takes all that away, and makes everyone the same. No thanks! I think that would be a little to boring for me.

"You are a part of society and having taken advantage of its benefits to some degree during your life, you now have a responsibilty to the greater good."

I have paid plenty for whatever benefits you think I may have recieved from the government. The only responsability I am concerned with is defending Freedom, all else is secondary. Without Freedom, you have nothing.

"And if you have to give up some personal freedom for that greater good, too damn bad."

I'm not seeing so much good coming from my having to give up my Freedom. By the way, how much Freedom am I going to have to give up for this "greater good"? Where is the good in a larger more intrusive government? I guess your right. It's just to damn bad, and I should just roll over and take it. I expect force would be involved in that if someone like you ever got in power.

" I think you should be forced to wear a motorcycle helmet/ seatbelt, for the sake of hospital resources, too bad if you consider it a affront to your right to be stupid."

All sorts of activity's done by humans use medical resorces. How many will you save us from? All of them? Seems a little bit like you consider Freedom stupid. Personaly, I think you would be kind of stupid yourself if you did think that. Lets take that a little farther, and say that having trials by jury is too expensive for the courts, so we just have criminals tried, convicted and punished on the spot. Instent death can be the punishment of choice since it is the cheapest way to go. One shot to the head don't cost much, and dead criminals don't commit more crime, right? Hell, if ya make the family pay for the bullet and other costs of execution, then no resources at all will have been used. Resources are not nearly as importent as Freedom. If you think resources are more importent then Freedom, then I believe you have a very odd malfunction in your head. I am starting to see a pattern of you thinking there is always something more importent then Freedom. Figures!

"There is a greater good."

I'm not so sure there is. Your speed limiting didn't do it for me. The drug war is waged for "the greater good" and yet all it does is cause harm to the people. The tyranny of the "greater good" is quite clear in certain cases. The benifits are not so clear. If you could find something a little more clearer then the speed limits, I sure would like to hear it.

"I also dont agree with the every man for themselves, let the poor starve ideals of ayn rand."

Most charity, and the kind that does the most for the people you speak of, is private. Government charity is nothing but stealing from one to give to another. Americans are the most giving people there are in the world. If they had more control over their money, instead of having to hand it over to the government, they would more then likely give more.

"It just seems cruel and uncompassionate, you people can fight against socialism all you want, the whole world disagrees with you though."

The whole world? You might want to recheck that. I think you may be off just a little on that.

"Freedom is just a word, its doesnt mean shit"

It's quite clear that Freedom means shit to you, that's for sure. Like all good collectivist's, you expose your lust to control Freedom with damn near every word you spout. I hope you will continue to spout, I like it. It shows you and your theory for what it truely is all about, and that is control of the people.

Toker