i have lots of females i can take pics of but unfortunately i kill all my males as soon as i identify them.

turtle- awsome i'm glad you id'd 1 at least for sure. usually the largest is always male. that has been the case with every batch of seeds i have grown. you should look into bonsai style mothers. i can fit my bonsai mums into a 10" square space(almost) and still take 50x more cuts than i need every 2 weeks. my lights are off till 4pm so i can't get to my vegg room until then without letting light into my main flower room. i will post pics of my bonsai style ww mum after 4pm. it's a shame, og magazine had a great online article about training bonsai mums. that's how i learned. i can fit 4 mums in a space 20inches wide x 20inches deep x 12inches high!!!! you just have to prune alot and do some root pruning a couple times a year.