Calif Cannabis Patient/Activist SEEKS same for NEW CO-OP

[Ziggy Stardust]

greetings
I am a former Mkt Director and Sales Rep in LOS ANGELES who was forced into retirement do to a severe lower back injury.

Since that time ive become aware of the serious issues regarding medical cannabis and the law. I would ask that all those who are intrested in establishing a totally transparent non profit co-op whos SOUL intent is to - WITH the absolute co operation of local govt - develop frame work and operational procedures to allow MORE people to benefit from the use of cannabis - THIS IS NOT for those what to make $$$$ as we will use the following portion of the bill (SB 420) as foundation and charter:

(4) In addition, the act called upon the state and the federal government to develop a plan for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need thereof.

SAFE and AFFORDABLE for ALL people NOT just the rich

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Ziggy Stardust Reviewed by Ziggy Stardust on 01-31-2006. Calif Cannabis Patient/Activist SEEKS same for NEW CO-OP greetings I am a former Mkt Director and Sales Rep in LOS ANGELES who was forced into retirement do to a severe lower back injury. Since that time ive become aware of the serious issues regarding medical cannabis and the law. I would ask that all those who are intrested in establishing a totally transparent non profit co-op whos SOUL intent is to - WITH the absolute co operation of local govt - develop frame work and operational procedures to allow MORE people to benefit from the use of Rating: 5

[daima]

Good luck with your adventure. Here in San Francisco the Love Shack keeps prices pretty decent. 40$ for a 1/8th of high grade cannabis. edibles, oil, and other grades of cannabis that cost less. Great club. Great folks, Always open 7 days per week, 365 day per year. Lighters and papers are part of every purchase.

dai*ma:thumbsup:

[Ziggy Stardust]

thats $320 on oz. So tell me how is an AIDS patient on welfare or a dsabled person living on half of his regular pay supposed to pay $320 for somthing that cost the growers MAYBE twenty??? and your welcome for the PLUG...please refrain from ADVERTISING on this thread

[iamapatient]

Ziggy:

Check your e-mail. I'm gusssing you don't actually grow based on your 20/oz figure, that's just not realistic. Surely you've forgotten about the overhead involved in running a business like labor and supplies. Just a domain name is 3/mo. NPO Incorporation isn't free, either.

While I agree that 320/oz is too high (no pun intended), 20/oz is a virtual fantasy, IMHO. Maybe you meant 200/oz?

[iamapatient]

I'm all for the NPO part and freedom is important to me so jail is out. There are ways to minimize risk. Do you want to discuss/debate details here, in public, or is this thread just looking for interest?

[daima]

320$ an oz isnt bad when consideration is applied. Rent, grow cost, electric bills, plant food, soil, Lawyers(if need) Bail(if needed). Always a safe accessable place. Those who cant afford the highest quality can buy a lower cost brand. Until YOUR vote and YOUR government start to work in YOUR favor, take it easy on those risking federal charges,loss of home, loss of kids, loss of freedom. 320$ is a small price to pay.
Now, that being said, you can always buy a light, soil, bulb and fan for the cost of an ounce. You can also try to meet a better connnection.
These are SF prices. Some higher, some lower. Go north and the price gets a little cheaper, but you pay for gas, wear on the car, bridge tolls,meal, and 4-6 hrs of your time. Dont seem so bad now, does it?

dai*ma

[iamapatient]

320/oz is street price, that's steep for what's legal in this state, IMHO. There are various reasons why the prices are as high as they are and greed *is* one of them. There are also other pressures that keep the prices inflated.

That same 300+/oz on the street should be 200, for today's patients and even less when rescheduled. A small co-op/collective system can easily provide very high quality meds to members at 200-250/oz and still donate 10%(or more) to the needy. Imagine what large scale operations could do?

[daima]

I am very much aware of what a cannabis grow room can produce. I am also very much aware of the federal drug laws. I know what bail costs. I know how much lawyer fee's can be. I know what my house costs. I know what my kids and grand kids mean to me.

Would 200.00 and ounce be better? no shit. Is 320 an ounce too much when all risks are considered? I guess you could find many who would complain. Putting your ass on the line has got to be worth something. Until your government behaves the way you would like them , take your frustration out on them. They are keeping the costs high.

You have a right to be angry. I just wish you would direct the anger at those who deserve it and not at those who risk everything to open a club and operate it under war-like-conditions.

Let me guess. Those who open a club and spend their whole day there should also be working another job to help cover all the cost that are associated with a club, so they can keep pricesdown for the poorest?
That doesnt sond very good......, to me.

dai*ma :stoned:
Your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore
They're already over-crowded from your dirty little wars
Now Jesus dont like killing no matter what the reason for
And your flag decal wont get you into heaven anymore :dance: :dance:

[iamapatient]

"I am very much aware of what a cannabis grow room can produce. I am also very much aware of the federal drug laws. I know what bail costs. I know how much lawyer fee's can be. I know what my house costs. I know what my kids and grand kids mean to me."

I've got grandkids and a house too.


Would 200.00 and ounce be better? no shit. Is 320 an ounce too much when all risks are considered? I guess you could find many who would complain. Putting your ass on the line has got to be worth something. Until your government behaves the way you would like them , take your frustration out on them. They are keeping the costs high.

Let me ask you something; is the risk lower at 320/oz or the same as 200/oz? Of course it isn't lower. Is the risk lower providing meds to patients than a street user? Of course it is. You say putting your ass on the line is worth something, and it is, but it's because of greed, in part, that patients pay the same (or *more* in some cases) as non-patients. I'm all for rescheduling but that's another thread.


You have a right to be angry. I just wish you would direct the anger at those who deserve it and not at those who risk everything to open a club and operate it under war-like-conditions.

You've obviously confused me with some one else, I'm not "angry" at all. I even pay club prices when I'm not growing. I'm not the type to get angry at something I agreed to do. That we agree to pay club prices, for whatever reasons, doesn't make the overpricing right. They have less risk selling to patients than street users, the price should be lower for patients.

Let me guess. Those who open a club and spend their whole day there should also be working another job to help cover all the cost that are associated with a club, so they can keep pricesdown for the poorest?
That doesnt sond very good......, to me.

You're not very good at guessing. First you blew it with the angry guy guess and now this. Seriously though, that's not the case at all. A non-profit org can pay their employees a fair wage, that's perfectly legal and California mmj laws allow for caregivers to recover costs. That said, those same mmj laws specifically state that these businesses can NOT be "for profit" so there's a difference between getting paid for your work and getting rich off sick mmj patients.

If you're starting a co-op to get rich, you're already violating the law, imho.

[Ziggy Stardust]

ill be back with a full respones soon BUT u see how fast the focus becomes $$$$? if your in a state where there are no cannabis laws then you shouldnt be breaking the law by cultivating -YOU SHOULD BE WORKING TO CHANGE THE LAWS! remember all your investing is your time, equipment and some electricity. if you dont break the law you dont need an atty and bail. here in calif our laws are set in such a way so as the legitimate cannabis patient has nothing to fear. and, if he choses to work w others who are of the same mind, after seeing to their own cannabis needs - THEN they look to the needs of others. some day cannabis will be decriminalized when it is WHO do you think the GOVT will look to for safe regulation and distribution? the moral....helping your fellow man is good both morally and bottom line