Substitution question

[electro]

I've looked several times through the message boards because I thought I saw the answers to my question before, but I can't seem to find it now. Anyway, I have a drug test coming up and I plan on using a friends piss to pass it. What I am going to do is use a non-lubricated condom and clean it all out then have him piss in that. Then I am going to wrap it up in toilet paper for extra insulation. Also, on top of that I am goin to put a handwarmer wrapped in as well. After that I will tuck it in my underwear and it seems to hold pretty well ( I have tested with water). Anyway, my question is, does the cup lower the temperature at all once the piss has been put into it? I seemed to notice a difference in temp when i test the water inside the condom as apposed to in a different container. (my main concern is the temp. as its obviously the most important thing to worry about)

Also, the temperature strip on the outside of the container can reset can't it? For example, my plan B is to take detox anyway cause i already have some, and if the temp. isnt right then ill just pour my donor's piss out and piss myself as a last resort, so i was just wondering if there would be any problems in doing that.

I'm still going to be practicing the whole routine a few times to get everything worked out, so any suggestions would be helpful.

electro Reviewed by electro on 01-26-2006. Substitution question I've looked several times through the message boards because I thought I saw the answers to my question before, but I can't seem to find it now. Anyway, I have a drug test coming up and I plan on using a friends piss to pass it. What I am going to do is use a non-lubricated condom and clean it all out then have him piss in that. Then I am going to wrap it up in toilet paper for extra insulation. Also, on top of that I am goin to put a handwarmer wrapped in as well. After that I will tuck it in Rating: 5

[Clawed Cooper]

I prefer a 2 OZ bottle myself.
And the temp won't change much but don't fart around.
With a 2 OZ bottle and a heat warmer.(I just use a quick fix bottle with temp strip on it) See condom advice below.

Heres what I did and my results.
First I filled the QF bottle with cold tap water then took the heating pad and taped it to the side of the bottle without the temp. strip.

Put it under my nuts and in about 1 hour it was @ 92 degrees.As time went on the heating pad made it warmer till it peaked at 98-100 degrees.
It held this temp for 10 hours.

After that I poured it out and refilled it with cold tap water again.(even tho the pad had stoped heating I left it taped to the bottle)
This time I went out in 30 degree weather and put it on my defroster on my dash of my car with the heat pad down as the heat from the defroster heated the pad and bottle it took 20 mins to reach 95 degrees.

put it under my nuts again for 30 mins with the heating pad on the side of my whitey tightys.
After I looked it had held a temp. of 94 degrees.

Invest a few bucks in a human digital thermometer. They are fast and accurate. I cannot over emphasize the importance of PRACTICE, PRACTICE, and PRACTICE!!! If you use condoms, be sure you use NON-lubricated condoms and rinse the condom to remove the powder from it. You can also use a well rinsed, 2 oz shampoo bottle (travel size). Now that you have your digital thermo and condoms/shampoo bottle, start practicing by filling your chosen container with 105 degree water. If using a condom, fold the loaded condom over the tip of the digital thermo to take its temp. If using a plastic bottle, place the tip of the thermometer directly into the water. Place the bottle/condom in your crotch. (Two pair of tighty whityâ??s holds it in place better and adds extra insulation to maintain the temp) In my experience, I find the water/pee container crotched inside your briefs, cools at a rate of about 1 degree every 2-3 minutes until it stabilizes at about 94-98 degrees. DO NOT plan on using toilet/bathroom water to cool it down. Most testing joints color their toilet water blue to foil using it, and if they hear you turn on the sink water or flush the john before you give them your sample, they may require you to re-submit or fail you. If your sample is to warm when you get it in the cup, simply swish it around in the cup while you blow on it. You can cool it at a rate of about 1 degree every 30 seconds, but don't over do it. PRACTICE! You can't re-warm it at that point. In the reverse, I find I can warm a substitute urine product from my pocket temp of 85-88 to 96-98 in about 20 minutes with body heat by crotching the container. The test cup temp strip is attached to the cup just like they are stuck to the side of a fish aquarium. The temp strip will read from 90-100 (some non-DOT require 94-100) so you can see your pee temp and cool it if necessary before you give it to the collector. One more tip. If you are using a condom, I don't tie the end of the condom. It is too risky in my humble opinion (IMHO) to try to puncture it to get your pee out. I take the condom with my 2+ ounces of pee in it and give it a spin, like you would a bread bag. Then double it over itself and use a wire tie (trash bag/bread bag type tie) with the ends rolled over them selves (to prevent puncture) and twist it tight to close the condom. To empty your condom, simply untwist the wire tie and let the condom untwist. Then place the open end of the condom in the cup and empty it. Check the temp on the side of the cup, and give it to the collector. Once again let me say PRACTICE. Practice carrying it in your crotch, practice emptying it into the cup, etc, just practice.

Men: IMHO the best place/way to crotch and carry the 2oz shampoo bottle/condom is to place it between your scrotum and anus. If you have any question as to where this spot is, stand up with your feet shoulder width apart. Reach down with your hand and cup your testicals. Note where your bird and ring fingers are touching. That is where you want to carry the bottle. It this position I find you can carry on about your activities normally while maintaining a 94-95 degree sample temp. To raise the sample temp to 97-98, simply sit down and cross you legs so that the container is enclosed between your thighs. It about 10-15 minutes the sample will warm to body temp, 97-98.

Women: You can of course carry a substitute sample the same as the men, but post by females write that it is also easy to carry the bottle inside your vaginal cavity, where it will maintain a 98 degree sample temp or you can use two 1oz bottles and place one under each breast, held in place with a well padded bra for added insulation in maintaining the temp.

Please remember that these suggestions are just guidelines and may need to be slightly modified to suit your particular need and comfort. The key to successfully substituting is to PRACTICE.

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