Why not unite science with spirituality?

[MoonStarer420]

I think we arn't ready for alot of the technology were developing. There are too many greedy, violent people who want to use it to gain power/money. What we need is a global govrenment that is a cross of socalism and democracy (the greek democracy) in order for our species to survive. This will always be difficult, becuase there has never been (atleast that I know of) a system that has resisted corruption. Unless one is set up with a high involvement of the people with a mind set that their survival depends on the survival of the system. Too bad this only happens after major events, (earthquakes, tidal waves, war, global warming?) and it only lasts for a limited time. 1984 shows a good example of this with the govrenments controll over the people using perpetual war with an "enemy" in order to control the people. Were an extreamly flawed species in this respect. Self-consousness only helps us to survive to a certain point, too bad were not consous about the physical world around us. This is where I have a problem with "God." I've met people who don't care about the enviorment because they assume that God has put controls on the Earth so that no matter what they do they think it will correct itself. Unless we accept the idea that we must fight for our existance and start taking measures to reverse the damage we cause to our planet, we're all going to be fucked. In order to do this we must set population limits, pollution limits, use only renewable energy sources, global health care, dismantling of all nuclear weapons, and I can't think of anything else right now.

I'm too stoned and I've ramble on for too long, I'm done.

[mrdevious]

I suppose they did try to explain god through "science" with intelligent design, though it's a bullshit theory.

[Polymirize]

There are laws that govren our universe and give it order. Science trys to discover these rules and model them. Quantum mechanics is the best we have to include this "randomness" to creat better models. There is nothing irrational about it, everything has some order to it, from quarks to super clusters of galaxies.

Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

So, what's our only possible conclusion?
That science at present does not begin to approach being able to describe the world we live in. Though it thinks it does. Just like it did when the world was flat. When scientists stop repeating the mistakes of the past, maybe we'll get somewhere with the whole process.

Now, what is spirituality? (And no, I'm not going to let you get away with calling it God right off the bat, that's a different conversation I'm more than willing to have, but let's keep it seperate for now.) Spirituality could be considered a "system" designed to explain things. Similar to science. So maybe there's some answers to be found through different perspectives as well?

If you want to understand an object in space better, you look at it from multiple perspectives... If you want to understand the whole of creation... ?

[MoonStarer420]

Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

Your right, it is easy. It's not a violation of energy for a partical to "appear" and "disappear" with in an amount of time. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle:change in time * Change in E>=hbar/2. so depending on the E is the amount of time this "new" partical can exist. And this can only happen as long asmomentum is conserved.There are no particals that are existing that can "disapear" using this equaton.

This is also the same way Black holes can evaporate. Two imaginary particals (antimatter and normal matter or two photons) are created near the Horizon (not sure if its event or absolute horizon) and one gets pulled in while the other flys off. The one that get's pulled in then destroys some of the matter inside the hole thus reducing it's mass.

There is never a violation of conservation of energy or we would be able to create perpetual motion machines.

That I know of, wenever thought the world was flat. When "we" built ships we could see the mast over the horizon before "we" saw the ship.

[RastaKaze]

Your going to need a reciver, and a device to decode this signals, and also a way to control this and turn it on and off. We don't even know how the brain works. If this was even remotly possable, it will be a long ways off. The most likely possability of this will probally come though implants.

I hope your kidding. it's totally possible, on your own... haha Mazatec Shamans in S.A. we're able to do this, what, two thousan years ago? Mabye it's only an impossibility to yourself because you beleive it to be. But let me tell you my friend the mind is capable of many things

[Polymirize]

That I know of, wenever thought the world was flat. When "we" built ships we could see the mast over the horizon before "we" saw the ship.

Of course. "We've" always known exactly how things work... And if you disagree, that's not anything a couple burnings at the stake can't fix. My how the times do change huh? Shoe on the other foot so to speak.

[Sir Les]

Oh this will be easy for you then... Consider Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Consider how at the quantum level, particles can suddenly decide to "stop" existing and disappear. Violation of conservation of energy.

So, what's our only possible conclusion?
That science at present does not begin to approach being able to describe the world we live in. Though it thinks it does. Just like it did when the world was flat. When scientists stop repeating the mistakes of the past, maybe we'll get somewhere with the whole process.

Now, what is spirituality? (And no, I'm not going to let you get away with calling it God right off the bat, that's a different conversation I'm more than willing to have, but let's keep it seperate for now.) Spirituality could be considered a "system" designed to explain things. Similar to science. So maybe there's some answers to be found through different perspectives as well?

If you want to understand an object in space better, you look at it from multiple perspectives... If you want to understand the whole of creation... ?

Don't forget to add yourself into the eqaution from every point of view!
And how it effects not only the gravity, but the space around you!

[PureEvil760]

its been done..atlantis

[siSTARindigo]

I don't always read everything, some of you are just a bunch of stoners
but science and spirituality are very much one. Religion, not so much. But Science is actual information that you can see, and prove. God, and a spiritual realm are things that people can see, and prove. You just have to either be highly spiritual, or highly educated AND have an open mind. In order to not be ignorant, one must be able to step outside of themselves, and into the real world before forming an opinion.

A lot of people think I am very gullible, I prefer to call it open minded. Who am I to tell you your wrong, about anything.

Science can prove a lot of spiritual concepts. Under hypnosis, doctors have accidentally regressed patients into past lives, and even in between stages of lives that involve "the other side", corrisponding with all the near death experiences. 3D, 3rd dimension, ever stopped to wonder what 4D might be like? Or 5D? Because 1D would be like a drwing on a piece of paper, 2D would be like a piece of paper itself with 2 sides. 3D which is where we live, is like a cube. So if someone from the 3D went to the 2D, the 2D "people" can still only see everything in 2D. So they would only see part of someone in the 3D, get it? Anyways, they are now saying that there are actually 12 dimensions. Scientifically.

All of this correspondes with acsention, and vibrational levels, which are also scientifically be recorded. We are supposedly in a process of ascension in the 80's the earths vibration was at a 7, it too that long to get to a 7. We are now thought to be vibrating at double that. So in a very short time we have speed up this process. This is all backed up by yet another mysterious couple bunches. The Mayans, Incans, Hopi.

Our earth has been here before. We have acsended both spiritually and scientifically at once. And we he destroyed whole races because of it. The great flood, with Noah and his ark. That happend. Not excatly as it is written, not so many people died, but a lot did. Hhmm, Tsunami? Hurricane season from hell. You wait till next season, I would move if your in an area affected by them. Lemura and Atlantis, both HIGHLY advanced. Got carryed away and boom, sunk. Lemuria is now the ring of fire, which will also be something to watch out for this summer.

The bible matches up too. That is why I hate it so much when people are so ignorant to be so stuck to something. Open up your mind, and be a big enough person to be able to listen, hear, process, and FEEL what you know as true, and disregard the rest. Bits and pieces of every religion, and science, and history can validate one another.

I am stoned, chances are anyone reading this is also mutually burnt. And The way of the old is really fighting with the way of the new right now, and I don't wish to stur up any "crazyness".

Eva

[MoonStarer420]

Of course. "We've" always known exactly how things work... And if you disagree, that's not anything a couple burnings at the stake can't fix. My how the times do change huh? Shoe on the other foot so to speak.

Oops I didn't mean "never", I ment to say when we started to build ships with large masts. I fucked up.

Well the Greeks and the people in the Egyption area hypothisised the Earth was round. Using sticks in the ground, shadows, and angles.