my first grow was 10 white widows and all i used was 5x85 watt fluresant tubes i got from an old building that was being demolished out of the 10 i got about 13,half oz i change two of the bulbs to full red for flowering it cost me a total of £25 for the bulbs and i used some organi ferts i had lying around heres the pics of that grow i am now on a 1000 mh for veg and it is definetaly faster with the mh but similar results with the fluros ,i would say that mh cuts the veg time in half but that was just my opinion the only downfall is that as they get bigger there is not enough lumens for the bottom buds but for veg they are good to start with