Quote Originally Posted by Its a Plant
haha well he is and will be top 10 of all time. You're basing these "facts" on what he does off the court. If we were to do that, Wilt would certainly lose out since he had so many bitches on the side. Looking at facts alone, kobe has more rings than jordan did in that age in his career, and kobe outscored jordan's measly 69 point effort last night. What else is there left to say? M-V-P and history.
kobe never even got to the playoffs without shaq and i dont think it will happen this year either. yea he had more rings but imagine if jordan had a "shaqlike" teammate with him during his early teens. they would have won multiple championships also.

scoring is overrated. yea 81 is impressive BUT there have been a lot of rule changes since jordan left, such as the hand check rule. jordan could score at will when he played but if the rule change was implemented in his time, it would have been game over, he WOULD AND COULD have scored as many as he wants but winning the game was more important to him.

Quote Originally Posted by Its a Plant
not once did I say the greatest of all time, but all this bullshit about what he does off the court...who cares. It's his personal life.

And as far as scoring titles go, the dont mean shit compared to the rings. And Shaq is great, but not even close to be cosidered the best.. Can be lazy at times, and come on, coming into camp outta shape and flabby...some professional. All I'm saying is he's got at least another 3 titles in him, maybe more.
i never said he shouldnt be considered one of the best of all time because of his personal life. screw his personal life. hes still not going to be considered top 5 nba players of all time just because he hasnt proved anything yet besides that he can win with shaq. shaq might be lazy and flabby but hes still the dominant in todays game because most teams double and triple him as soon as he catches the ball. i guarantee that kobe bryant will not win another championship with him being the dominant player on his team or else i will NEVER smoke weed again. as talented as he is, im that confident he wont.

also, one big difference between them is that jordan's defense was a lot better than kobes. im not saying kobe isnt a good defender because he is one of the top 15 defenders in the league but jordan was that much better than everyone else in the league at his time at defense. yea, scottie might have guarded the opposing team's best scorer but michael could do it too. its just that it would be that much harder for him to focus on scoring if he did.