I did find out i had 2 javas (web start) (updated newer version) so I uninstalled the java web start and still nothing,,,hmmm should I uninstall java completely and start over? Well I was able to get in the old chat,but after the newer version in canna I havent been able too...Geee I cant even remember the last time I was in chat SIGH enough time to Medicate I give up for the time being,,,gonna go watch the Panthers win over the Bears :stoned: