-u understand the point u guys are making, and if ur beliefs are that GOD isn't a guy in a grey beard (for a lack of a better stereotype) but just THE SYSTEM that more or less makes up what we see (a Spinozian kinda view) then i can fully understand that. But then i dont understand why people route their lives around it, waste time in church, or do otherthings that arn't going to have an effect, especially with all these fanatics, what im arguing against is mostly the Churchs and their versions of GOD.

-what i meant by the pre-socratics part is different, there are 3 different philosophers, all of their names are like Xanothrop..... and things like that, they start with X's and they believed in the four elements.

-I dont believe in spirits or ghosts or reincarnation, i think that when i die nothing too special will happen, i'm have more of a scientific mindset i must say. I do think there are more dimensions than 3, perhaps time is the fourth as Einstein claimed, but im not sure about the string theory just because i have yet to really look into it yet. And i do believe life on other planets is possible although unlickely.