Christians Beware: Jesus Kills Babies And Supports Genocide

[siSTARindigo]

And I respect your belief. And thank you for being able to respect mine. I just wish that the churches hadn't burnt up all the original stuff. I also really with I could read the whole books from the bible, again, originals that are gone forever. I can give you a link to the lost teachings of jesus, but I am doubting you would accept how this information was obtained. Which is fine. But if you are interested I would be happy to let you know. There are about 4 books in a set called the lost teachings of Jesus.

Eva

[mont974x4]

I'm familiar with them. but thanks!

[siSTARindigo]

No problem. My hubby found them very interesting because they really hash out the differences in bible versions. Plus of course the authors "information".

Eva

[MoonStarer420]

I have seen far too much evidence in my own life for me to think that there is no God.

Like what? I haven't heard of any real evidence for the existence of any god. It's not possible because itâ??s not testable.

Try testing prayer. No matter the outcome, it will be "answered" or it was "part of gods plan" and was meant to happen.

What makes you so sure your ideas are correct? What was wrong with the old Greek gods, Hinduism, Islam? What makes them wrong and yours right? I see no difference between any of them. Their all based on untestable and unobservable ideas. How do you know if it's reality if it's based on faith? It's much better to ask questions and understand than it is to be ignorant.

[mont974x4]

The fact I'm alive when I shouldn't be..many times over.
Watching birds fly South and how they shift positions for better aerodynamics and to adjust when lead birds get tired.


I don't believe in coincidence or chance and I don't believe instincts can be explained by evolution.

[MoonStarer420]

I don't believe in coincidence or chance and I don't believe instincts can be explained by evolution.

Well there is a difference between belief and reality, isn't there? I don't mean to attack you, but those are personal reasons and they don't prove very much to other people.

[mont974x4]

OK reality is monkeys are still here. Wouldn't they be gone if we evolved from them?

[Polymirize]

Well there is a difference between belief and reality, isn't there?

This seems like the big question. What is the difference between belief and reality? You mentioned that if it's not testable it's not possible. Why?
Do you realise how many scientific, psychological, and philosophical concepts we take on "faith" everyday?

What do you believe to be reality? And what's really just belief?

[MoonStarer420]

OK reality is monkeys are still here. Wouldn't they be gone if we evolved from them?

First, we didn't evolve from monkeys, but we do share a common ansestor with them. They "branched off" millions of years ago. Our "side" then branched off into apes. Which we are. And the other side branched off into Monkeys. It dosen't just have to be 2 branches, some event might have happened to isolate a bunch of diffrent groups but many new species that arise will probally go extint if they cannot adapt to their enviorment.

I bet you've heard of the Phylogenetic tree It's the same idea. Thats why our DNA is somthing like 98% simular to that of Chimps, and thats why we are much closer to other Apes then we are to Monkeys.

[MoonStarer420]

[QUOTE=Polymirize] This seems like the big question. What is the difference between belief and reality? /QUOTE]

It's not that I know what reality is, it's just that science has the best explanations for what reality might be. Medicine is based on science not on religion, and what will work better penicillin or prayer if you have an infection? How many people would not be alive today if we werenâ??t able to build pacemakers, disinfectants, Anesthesia, Defibrillators, x-ray machines, I.V.'s, ect,.? We would still be riding on horseback if it werenâ??t for innovations in physics that let us develop engines. Science will never be 100% accurate, ever, but itâ??s our best tool to understand the world around us. Pseudoscienceâ??s and religion are nothing more then placebo's.

"All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike-and yet it is the most presious thing we have."-Albert Einstein

You mentioned that if it's not testable it's not possible. Why?

I didn't mean it in that context, just that it's impossable to prove God exists. Atleast I don't see how you could either directly observe him or design an experiment to do so.

Do you realise how many scientific, psychological, and philosophical concepts we take on "faith" everyday?
What do you believe to be reality? And what's really just belief?

Reality is the Universe in which we live; beliefs are how we think is. The problem is, some things will happen even if we don't believe in them or even acknowledge their existence. So I could be wrong. But I'd still rather trust science which is "belived" to work over somthing which seems like it's never worked.