Christians Beware: Jesus Kills Babies And Supports Genocide

[Polymirize]

Flesh, I fail to see how "militant atheism" is in any way a viable solution...

Sure, atrocities are committed in the name of religion. But not all religious people commit atrocities. I've met some amazingly down to earth, creative and compassionate people, who consider themselves very religious. So obviously, the problem isn't religion but rather the same barbarism you were complaining about.
Why blame religion for barbarism? Why not simply blame the brutality?
Personally I feel the whole notion of "militant atheism" strikes a chord amazingly similar to that of any fundamentalist group. An expressed limitation on acceptable beliefs. In fact that's the exact opposite of siStarIndigo's thought of ignoring the differences and simply co-existing.

Because that's the bottom line, isn't it? Co-existence. Does it matter who's "right" and whose "wrong" as long as everyone is respected for their individual humanity?

In the battle for humanity, there are no winners without losers... But it doesn't need to be a contest. We can coexist. A way to live without exploitation. A way to be right in a way that doesn't make other ways wrong.

Just a thought I had...

Polymirize Reviewed by Polymirize on 02-02-2006. Christians Beware: Jesus Kills Babies And Supports Genocide According to mainstream Christianity, Jesus is a baby-killer. They don't like to publicize this fact, but it's true. Most strains of Christ worship preach the idea of the Trinity, which states explicitly that Jesus = God and God = Jesus. They are one and the same entity. Christians also take the Bible to be a trustworthy book. If the Bible is not trustworthy, there is no reason to believe Jesus even existed, much less that he was the Son of God. The Bible is the sole source of this belief. Rating: 5

[streettrash]

But that is fine if you want to consider us (as in the general public like I stated before) ignorant because of the fact we, for the most part have no knowlege of this subject. But don't put me in that catagory by myself. There wouldn't have been a show about it if it was common knowlege. I am sure you are also ignorant, in one matter or another.

Yes, I would like to consider "you" (as in the general public like you stated before) ignorant because of the fact that you, for the most part, have no knowledge of the subject. The reson I would like to do this is because that is, in fact, a completely correct use of the word "ignorant".

If you don't want to be by yourself that's okay. I suppose I could just walk around quizzing people on astrobiology and get you some company, but as of right now the reason you're alone is because you're the only person who has made a statement on this board about astrobiology that showed ignorance (Well, there are probably more, but that was the only one I read). The general public is irrelevant since a majority of them aren't even participating in this thread. Also, I AM ignorant in many subjects, but the reason I didn't bring that up is because it's not relevant. We're not discussing "other subjects" and I haven't made any claims without justification that I'm aware of (at least in this thread) so there's no reason it would need to come up.

The Sci Fi channel show wasn't even about Astrobiology. It was about UFOs and anal probes and shit. The point to that story being, I'm not enlightened or anything. I'm just a stoner with cable TV, a college catalog, and a dictionary (featuring the word "Ignorant") and things just worked out this way.

[mont974x4]

Pure, you make a good point. There are a lot of translataions out there. That's why I look to the original text using Greek and Hebrew dictionaries.

[siSTARindigo]

Yes, I would like to consider "you" (as in the general public like you stated before) ignorant because of the fact that you, for the most part, have no knowledge of the subject. The reson I would like to do this is because that is, in fact, a completely correct use of the word "ignorant".

If you don't want to be by yourself that's okay. I suppose I could just walk around quizzing people on astrobiology and get you some company, but as of right now the reason you're alone is because you're the only person who has made a statement on this board about astrobiology that showed ignorance (Well, there are probably more, but that was the only one I read). The general public is irrelevant since a majority of them aren't even participating in this thread.

This thread isn't about astrobiology, and I didn't bring the subject up. Had I done so then yes, I would have been acting ignorantly. The fact that I am ignorant on the subject is a fact for the general population. It isn't that I am lonely, It is just that, well, your comment made no sense whatsoever

Also, I AM ignorant in many subjects, but the reason I didn't bring that up is because it's not relevant. We're not discussing "other subjects" and I haven't made any claims without justification that I'm aware of (at least in this thread) so there's no reason it would need to come up.

Actually we were discussing "Other subjects". Life in outer space just happend to come up. We were actually talking about GOD and existance and and afterlife. But you can go back and read it for yourself, since it is sounding very much like you haven't yet. I think that would be ignorant to be so intrusive on a conversation, not knowing where it started, and outter space wasn't it, son.

The Sci Fi channel show wasn't even about Astrobiology. It was about UFOs and anal probes and shit. The point to that story being, I'm not enlightened or anything. I'm just a stoner with cable TV, a college catalog, and a dictionary (featuring the word "Ignorant") and things just worked out this way.

OH! see now you made it out to be like you were an expert. So since you have only seen one show, that didn't even center the subject, wouldn't you really be the one acting ignorantly? Since YOU brought it up, not I. The only comment on it I made is the one you have tried to disect.

You don't even understand what you said! LOL This whole thread has turned into humor for me. Some people on here are so open minded, and calm and loving. I have meet some REALLY cool people here. Then we get the militant athiests who has all kinds to say, and then disappears. Or people who call themselves street trash, don't read a now 5 page long thread (and these are LONG pages), watches a mini show on a subject and then goes around correcting people about topics they didn't start. Then calling them ignorant when they ADMIT to not knowing about it. Your right, I am ignorant about the subject, along with everyone else who can't stand biology. And I plan to leave that stuff to those interested in it. This is the first time I have ever talked about it, and I was dragged into the converstaion by someone ignorant of the actual topic being discussed

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[siSTARindigo]

Flesh, I fail to see how "militant atheism" is in any way a viable solution...

Sure, atrocities are committed in the name of religion. But not all religious people commit atrocities. I've met some amazingly down to earth, creative and compassionate people, who consider themselves very religious. So obviously, the problem isn't religion but rather the same barbarism you were complaining about.
Why blame religion for barbarism? Why not simply blame the brutality?
Personally I feel the whole notion of "militant atheism" strikes a chord amazingly similar to that of any fundamentalist group. An expressed limitation on acceptable beliefs. In fact that's the exact opposite of siStarIndigo's thought of ignoring the differences and simply co-existing.

Because that's the bottom line, isn't it? Co-existence. Does it matter who's "right" and whose "wrong" as long as everyone is respected for their individual humanity?

In the battle for humanity, there are no winners without losers... But it doesn't need to be a contest. We can coexist. A way to live without exploitation. A way to be right in a way that doesn't make other ways wrong.

Just a thought I had...

What is really funny is that a militant athiest is in a spirituality board.

HA HA HA, this shit is getting funnier by the post!

[aka215]

you are in error if you believe the Bible to be written in metaphores and only written to control human minds. Perhaps what you're really saying is that it penetrates your heart and you don't want to accept that YOU are responsible for YOUR sin?

[siSTARindigo]

The thing about the original bible is that it was actually a bunch of books. Like actual seperate, whole books, that this group of guys said, let's put these together. I am not discounting these guys by any means, or what they wrote. But these guys took PARTS of these books (the book of John, ect) and some entire books were even left out. Either by these guys or the church, who I am sure then edited what these guys put together. These original books, as in seperate, whole books are probably long gone, which is a shame.

Eva

[siSTARindigo]

you are in error if you believe the Bible to be written in metaphores and only written to control human minds. Perhaps what you're really saying is that it penetrates your heart and you don't want to accept that YOU are responsible for YOUR sin?

I agree with you, in different words (the sin part, I call it karma). He is in this message board for a reason, I think it is him with a lot of questions. I can't explain why else an athiest would even come in here. Hopefully he has learned something. Anything.

Eva

[F L E S H]

siSTARindigo,

Thanks for keeping it professional and not insulting people. That works great in discussions.

As for the "militant" part, I made that up cause I thought it was funny, forget it.

And I'm in the spirituality forum because it affects me, religion affects everyone whether they like it or not.

And people, all of you, sure,for now, let's live and let live, we'll be a big happy family, each with our own beliefs. But don't you realize what happening in the world? Fundamentalism is on an exponential rise in popularity, both in America and in the Middle-East. These are people willing to kill over the name of a god. And their leaders wouldn't want it any other way.

Look at Bush, Mr. Born-Again. He's using his religion as a form of control. So is Bin Laden, re-interpreting the Qur'an as he wishes to control people. That's what religion (at least, the Big Three) is for, population control.

And siSTAR, yes, it's a big deal if you just pick and choose what you want to believe in while rejecting stuff you don't like. It just doesn't make sense. You feel better about yourself because you believe in a god? Are you less afraid to live on your daily life knowing that there's a nice old man waiting to give you a big hug after you die?

Fact is, people the world over have been picking and choosing what to believe since the dawn of humanity. Three thousand years ago, it was Egyptian religion... The came the Greeks and the Romans, with something else. Today, their religious stories are considered "mythology", a nice little fairy tale with some life-lessons. Now who decided we should all stop believing that and start believing in a completely different fairy-tale? Jesus Christ? He didn't even exist... And his religion is a re-hash of ancient Egyptian religion anyway.

So yeah, like you said, all the major religions pick and choose what they want to believe and leave out the rest, I guess you could do it to. So I believe the world was created last week by a giant Dwarf named Andy, and he just makes us believe that the world is older through telepathy, and when we die we all end up in a land of candy with holy dwarves running among us. Don't mock my beliefs, you ig·no·rant person! It's all here in my book, Andy's world.

[F L E S H]

I agree with you, in different words (the sin part, I call it karma). He is in this message board for a reason, I think it is him with a lot of questions. I can't explain why else an athiest would even come in here. Hopefully he has learned something. Anything.

Eva

Wow, I didn't even see this before I replied... So you decide to believe in a Christian-type god, but you don't believe in sin, you believe in Karma. Like I said in another post, at least fundamentalists are consistent.