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    #21
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    smoking from a pipe destroys 50% of the THC?

    Quote Originally Posted by johnfcthree
    i read here http://www.onlinepot.org/medical/vaporizer.htm that smoking weed from a pipe destroys half the THC. i dunno if its true, but they have instructions on how to make a vaporizor, which saves 45 percent of the THC. so if someone tries this out, tell me how well it worked.
    It's not true.

    THC Transfer Rate

    The MAPS-NORML study provides new information on the efficiency of different devices in delivering THC from marijuana to the user. Previous studies have shown that 60% - 80% of the THC burned in joints or waterpipes is lost in slipstream smoke, adhesion to the pipestem and bowl, pyrolysis, etc. [Mario Perez-Reyes, Marijuana Smoking: Factors that Influence the Bioavailability of Tetrahydrocannabinol, in C. Nora Chiang and Richard Hawks, ed., Research Findings on Smoking of Abused Substances, NIDA Research Monograph 99, 1990]. The percentage of total THC delivered to the user is called the THC transfer rate. The unfiltered joint scored surprisingly well in smoking efficiency, coming in second place with a transfer rate close to 20%. The portable waterpipe did slightly better, and the bong slightly worse. The other devices did notably worse. The vaporizers and electric waterpipe did especially poorly, with transfer rates less than one-third that of the top three devices. Thus, heavy smokers could literally be blowing most of their stash away with bad pipes.

    http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html

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    #22
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    smoking from a pipe destroys 50% of the THC?

    Look at your references. That's five years old. This was on that site.

    "September 21, 2000 update: MAPS and CA-NORML are sponsoring a new vaporizer study. Testing and data analysis have been completed. A detailed report will be issued soon. "

    The site I posted is the detailed report.

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    #23
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    smoking from a pipe destroys 50% of the THC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brennan
    They trying to say bongs make it harder to get high? I mean I'm pretty sure last time I check a good bong beats a good pipe. I think this is just someone making stuff up. Some hard proof would be nice.
    The water depletes the active cannabinoids. I'm gonna look for it.

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    #24
    Senior Member

    smoking from a pipe destroys 50% of the THC?

    The easiest way for most smokers to avoid harmful smoke toxins may be simply to smoke stronger marijuana. This strategy is apt to be more effective than any smoke filtration device. By simply replacing the low, 2.3% potency NIDA marijuana used in this study with high-quality 12%-sinsemilla, smokers could presumably reduce their tar intake by a factor of five while still achieving the same effect.

    Are Waterpipes Counterproductive?

    The study results are obviously discomforting to waterpipe enthusiasts, many of whom prefer the cooler, milder smoke they produce, and have naturally assumed it is also more healthful. Unfortunately, however, the study indicates that waterpipes may actually be counterproductive in increasing consumption of carcinogenic tars.

    Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits.

    http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html

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