Gun Confiscation in New Orleans, do you support the troops and government, torog?

[pisshead]

http://infowars.com/video/clips/news...nfiscation.htm

you're an anti-american twit if you don't think this is good, torog...maybe you need the military to disarm you so you can feel free...

did you know that there were GUN BATTLES INVOLVING PEOPLE REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS, AND THE GUN CONFISCATIONS CONTINUED AFTER A FEDERAL COURT RULED THEM ILLEGAL...PEOPLE DIED REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS...THIS IS HOW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION STARTED...

THERE ARE POLICE AND MILITARY WHO REFUSED THEIR ORDERS AND DID NOT TAKE PART IN THIS.

nooo, you want to spread 'freedom' to countries halfway around the world where it's none of our business, but you sit on your ass while you cheer it away at home. you should be ashamed.

did bill o'reilly tell you about this?

or are you just a superficial idiot and you don't know what freedom is?

pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on 01-02-2006. Gun Confiscation in New Orleans, do you support the troops and government, torog? http://infowars.com/video/clips/news/122205_nola_gun_confiscation.htm you're an anti-american twit if you don't think this is good, torog...maybe you need the military to disarm you so you can feel free... did you know that there were GUN BATTLES INVOLVING PEOPLE REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS, AND THE GUN CONFISCATIONS CONTINUED AFTER A FEDERAL COURT RULED THEM ILLEGAL...PEOPLE DIED REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS...THIS IS HOW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION STARTED... THERE ARE POLICE AND Rating: 5

[Breukelen advocaat]

I do not have enough information to contribute much of an opinion about the current gun issues, but I do not think that the American Revolution was started because "...PEOPLE DIED REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS...THIS IS HOW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION STARTED..."

I never heard that one.

The main causes for the American Revolution were:
The Stamp Act
The Townshend Acts
The Intolerable Acts

The British wouldn't have tried to disarm the people of the "Colonies", because they needed guns for hunting and protection.

[pisshead]

i've heard that one, but i never heard it in a school history book...

On April 18, 1775, British General Thomas Gage sent 700 soldiers to destroy guns and ammunition the colonists had stored in the town of Concord, just outside of Boston. They also planned to arrest Samuel Adams and John Hancock, two of the key leaders of the patriot movement.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/l...p?document=864

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/patriot..._redcoats.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gage

[Breukelen advocaat]

[QUOTE=pisshead]i've heard that one, but i never heard it in a school history book...On April 18, 1775, British General Thomas Gage sent 700 soldiers to destroy guns and ammunition the colonists had stored in the town of Concord, just outside of Boston. They also planned to arrest Samuel Adams and John Hancock, two of the key leaders of the patriot movement.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/l...p?document=864

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Orders from General Thomas Gage to Lieut. Colonel Smith, 10th Regiment â??Foot

General Thomas Gage
April 18, 1775
Boston, Massachusetts
Lieut. Colonel Smith, 10th Regiment â??Foot,
Sir,

Having received intelligence, that a quantity of Ammunition, Provisions, Artillery, Tents and small Arms, have been collected at Concord, for the Avowed Purpose of raising and supporting a Rebellion against His Majesty, you will March with a Corps of Grenadiers and Light Infantry, put under your Command, with the utmost expedition and Secrecy to Concord, where you will seize and distroy all Artillery, Ammunition, Provisions, Tents, Small Arms, and all Military Stores whatever. But you will take care that the Soldiers do not plunder the Inhabitants, or hurt private property.


There is a major difference between confiscating the guns of armed insurgents, to protect the forces of the Crown from the people that had already decided to overthow them, and the average colonists who used them for survival.

As I said, it was the Stamp, Townshend, and Intolerable Acts that started/incited the Revolution - NOT these unsubstansiated allegations of the confiscation and/or banning of the colonists' guns by the British.

[pisshead]

guns had just as much to do with it as taxes and land rights...that's why it was included in the constitution...it was imperative that a disarmed citizenry isn't protected against a tyrannical government.

[Breukelen advocaat]

guns had just as much to do with it as taxes and land rights...that's why it was included in the constitution...it was imperative that a disarmed citizenry isn't protected against a tyrannical government.

I'm just interested in the truth, and there is no basis whatsoever to the claim that confiscation and/or control of the colonists' guns was a reason for the Revolution - because it didn't happen that way.

The Constitution's clause about the right to bear arms was written AFTER the fact, because the Founding Fathers wanted to ensure that liberty, and the right to overthrow a tyrannical government, would not be prevented by regulation against the right to bear arms. Yes, it's in the Constitution, but the right to bear arms had nothing to do with the causes of the Revolution. and I keep seeing this inaccuracy repeated here over and over. Let's first get the facts straight!

[pisshead]

sorry, i'm not buying it...i've read enough history to realize that gun rights had a lot to do with the revolution...they were one of many factors...

[Breukelen advocaat]

sorry, i'm not buying it...i've read enough history to realize that gun rights had a lot to do with the revolution...they were one of many factors...

You have now changed your story by conceding that the rights of gun owners was not the primary cause for the Revolution, and you now consider guns as having "a lot to do with the revolution" - which quite different than the claims that you've been posting here for some time - specifically that the whole Revolution was instigated by an attempt by the British to take away the colonists' guns. You wrote, "PEOPLE DIED REFUSING TO GIVE UP THEIR GUNS...THIS IS HOW THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION STARTED..."

Yes, the Revolution would not have been possible without guns - and the Patriots had plenty of them, despite the British attempts to confiscate them from rebels such as the Sons of Liberty, and other rabble-rousers.

[eg420ne]

Conflict and Revolution
1775 to 1776

April 14, 1775 - Massachusetts Governor Gage is secretly ordered by the British to enforce the Coercive Acts and suppress "open rebellion" among colonists by using all necessary force.

April 18, 1775 - General Gage orders 700 British soldiers to Concord to destroy the colonists' weapons depot.

That night, Paul Revere and William Dawes are sent from Boston to warn colonists. Revere reaches Lexington about midnight and warns Sam Adams and John Hancock who are hiding out there.

At dawn on April 19 about 70 armed Massachusetts militiamen stand face to face on Lexington Green with the British advance guard. An unordered 'shot heard around the world' begins the American Revolution. A volley of British rifle fire followed by a charge with bayonets leaves eight Americans dead and ten wounded. The British regroup and head for the depot in Concord, destroying the colonists' weapons and supplies. At the North Bridge in Concord, a British platoon is attacked by militiamen, with 14 casualties.

British forces then begin a long retreat from Lexington back to Boston and are harassed and shot at all along the way by farmers and rebels and suffer over 250 casualties. News of the events at Lexington and Concord spreads like wildfire throughout the Colonies.

April 23, 1775 - The Provincial Congress in Massachusetts orders 13,600 American soldiers to be mobilized. Colonial volunteers from all over New England assemble and head for Boston, then establish camps around the city and begin a year long siege of British-held Boston.

May 10, 1775 - American forces led by Ethan Allen and Benedict Arnold capture Fort Ticonderoga in New York. The fort contains a much needed supply of military equipment including cannons which are then hauled to Boston by ox teams.

May 10, 1775 - The Second Continental Congress convenes in Philadelphia, with John Hancock elected as its president. On May 15, the Congress places the colonies in a state of defense. On June 15, the Congress unanimously votes to appoint George Washington general and commander-in-chief of the new Continental Army.

June 17, 1775 - The first major fight between British and American troops occurs at Boston in the Battle of Bunker Hill. American troops are dug in along the high ground of Breed's Hill (the actual location) and are attacked by a frontal assault of over 2000 British soldiers who storm up the hill. The Americans are ordered not to fire until they can see "the whites of their eyes." As the British get within 15 paces, the Americans let loose a deadly volley of rifle fire and halt the British advance. The British then regroup and attack 30 minutes later with the same result. A third attack, however, succeeds as the Americans run out of ammunition and are left only with bayonets and stones to defend themselves. The British succeed in taking the hill, but at a loss of half their force, over a thousand casualties, with the Americans losing about 400, including important colonial leader, General Joseph Warren.
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[eg420ne]

I dont know just putting it out there.......

GUN CONFISCATION STARTED THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
or History for Dummies

The War Begins British troops, sent to confiscate American arms and supplies, were resisted by Massachusetts militiamen at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. This broadside printed at Salem, Massachusetts, a few days later dramatically displays the coffins of the forty Americans killed. The British were reported to have suffered 65 dead, 180 wounded, and 27 missing.
http://www.rjohara.net/gen/wars/revolution.html

Massachusetts Colony was a hotbed of sedition in the spring of 1775. Preparations for conflict with the Royal authority had been underway throughout the winter with the production of arms and munitions, the training of militia (including the minutemen), and the organization of defenses. In April, General Thomas Gage, military governor of Massachusetts decided to counter these moves by sending a force out of Boston to confiscate weapons stored in the village of Concord and capture patriot leaders Samuel Adams and John Hancock reported to be staying in the village of Lexington. ... http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/lexington.htm

The War Begins -- British troops, sent to confiscate American arms and supplies, were resisted by Massachusetts militiamen at Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775. ... http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/british/brit-2.html

"The 2A never has meant 'Jack-spit' about bird hunting or target shooting. Such leftist babble was disingenuous, duplicitous and an outrage to defend the indefensible. The fact is the 2A was specifically intended to provide American citizens with the tools necessary to rise up and overthrow an abusive government. It was written by men who had just done that very thing.

The first 3 battles of the American Revolution were not about taxation, or representation, or even the list of grievances delineated in the Declaration of Independence ... the first 3 battles of the War for Independence were over gun control. [read: Lexington 1775] When Captain Parker faced off the British on the Green in Lexington it was to prevent the British from confiscating "power and ball".

It was again Thomas Jefferson who said, "The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themsleves against tyranny in government."

AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT by Geoff Metcalf, 12/24/04

OH BY THE WAY:

DOJ Concludes 2nd Amend. Secures Individual Right:
Conclusion For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms. Current case law leaves open and unsettled the question of whose right is secured by the Amendment. Although we do not address the scope of the right, our examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views. The text of the Amendment's operative clause, setting out a "right of the people to keep and bear Arms," is clear and is reinforced by the Constitution's structure.

The Amendment's prefatory clause, properly understood, is fully consistent with this interpretation. The broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion. Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require.

Here is their conclusion and you can read the complete memo at: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm

The wire service press release:
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=40899
http://deadbangguns.com/History.html