Kerry and the drug war

[HvyFuel]

If you were quoting from Kerry's website why didn't you put the link on in the first place? That is standard practice.

Kerry's stance on cannabis is a damn site better than Bush's, I can't see Bush voting to speed up the only research they are going to accept no matter how much independant research you'd care to show them. In this election there's nobody else worth voting for.

And I'll air my opinion on any election I wish to thanks. With or without your blessing.

peace

HvyFuel Reviewed by HvyFuel on 08-02-2004. Kerry and the drug war Some people seem to want to vote for Kerry in hopes he will make change. If your one of those people, you better think again. From Kerry's web site; "Keep Drugs Out Of Our Communities John Kerry and John Edwards will aggressively target drug traffickers and dealers and provide funding for coordinated regional efforts aimed at cracking down on drug trafficking. They will also adequately fund drug prevention and treatment, including innovative approaches to requiring treatment for offenders Rating: 5

[Libertarian Toker]

"If you were quoting from Kerry's website why didn't you put the link on in the first place?"

I did say in my original post that it was from his web site. I forgot the link. I won't always stay in step with what you think is standard practice, so deal with it.

"Kerry's stance on cannabis is a damn site better than Bush's"

If they are the same, how can one be better then the other? A "damn sight better"??? Why? If you think his support for research makes him a damn sight better, you had better think again. Badnariks stance is a damn sight better. Kerry's is nothing but the same old shit rehashed, with some extra tyranny thrown in for good measure.

"I can't see Bush voting to speed up the only research they are going to accept no matter how much independant research you'd care to show them."

And I can't see Kerry doing anything to end the drug war either. Opp's, I forgot that you don't care about the drug war as a whole, only weed matters to you. Kerry will do nothing but continue to jail people for weed. If you support him, you support that action, and you do seem to support him.

"In this election there's nobody else worth voting for."

Kerry is not worth voting for. There is someone worth voting for though, his name is Badnarik. Kerry is as unworthy as Bushy is. They will do the same things. More troops to Iraq, more drug war, more taxes, more prisons, more laws, more cops, more tyranny, less Freedom, the list goes on and on.

"And I'll air my opinion on any election I wish to thanks. With or without your blessing."

Airing your opinion, and trying to sway voters, is two different things. Even more so when your not exactly truthfull with your words. Kerry does not "support cannabis use" in any shape or form, nor does the LP wish for people to think they are the only ones that wish to legalize it. When you make shit up to try and change a voters mind in a country your not even a part of, it's my opinion that is not a very productive thing to be doing. The last time we had a liberal prez, more people were jailed for weed then at any other time. Tell me why I should I think it will be any different this time?

Toker

[HvyFuel]

"I forgot the link. I won't always stay in step with what you think is standard practice, so deal with it. "

Sorry, you're so much better than everyone else that nobody ever doubts you. I've seen a site that says GW wants to legalise crack but I've gone and forgotten the link. Yeah, right.

"If they are the same, how can one be better then the other?"

They aren't, as I explained. It must be hard for you to understand when you break everything up instead of reading statements as a whole.

"And I can't see Kerry doing anything to end the drug war either."

All drugs together again when I've quite clearly stated my opinion that we have a better chance of them being legalised one at a time.

"Opp's, I forgot that you don't care about the drug war as a whole, only weed matters to you."

You don't even remember your own conversations.

"Kerry will do nothing but continue to jail people for weed. If you support him, you support that action, and you do seem to support him."

I can never get my crystal ball to see four years into the future, the LP must be really good at making up balls. And you're quite right, in my opinion, of the two people that have a chance of winning, I do favour Kerry.

"Airing your opinion, and trying to sway voters, is two different things."

Why else would you bother? If I wanted to post on a forum where people had no minds of their own to debate the point I'd post on Marihemp Market Place. It's hardly my fault if my opinion makes people reconsider theirs.

"Even more so when your not exactly truthfull with your words. Kerry does not "support cannabis use" in any shape or form"

Voting to stop the DEA dragging it's arse isn't supporting "in any shape or form"?
You might want to rephrase that.

"nor does the LP wish for people to think they are the only ones that wish to legalize it."

It must be just you then.

"When you make shit up to try and change a voters mind in a country your not even a part of, it's my opinion that is not a very productive thing to be doing."

Quite right, if I did it wouldn't be, but I don't have to. And when the present administration of the country involved is making the world a more dangerous place I doubt there are many countries with citizens who wouldn't wish to sway the vote against it.

"The last time we had a liberal prez, more people were jailed for weed then at any other time. Tell me why I should I think it will be any different this time? "

It's a long time since I had to explain basic maths but when something is illegal for a long time the conviction rate often increases yearly along with the population. Bush senior had lower figures than Clinton, Clinton had lower figures than Bush Junior. This only really changes when the law does.

At the moment I think you're doing a far better job at swaying voters toward Kerry than I am.

peace

[Libertarian Toker]

"Sorry, you're so much better than everyone else that nobody ever doubts you. I've seen a site that says GW wants to legalise crack but I've gone and forgotten the link. Yeah, right."

Grumpy ain't ya? I did say were it came from. Kerrys web site! Get it yet? It's still there, all ya gotta do is go there. Seeings how much you favour him, looks like you would have already been there to check out what he actualy stands for. I guess if your part of the "anyone but bush herd" it doesn't really matter. If you doubt me so much, go to the Kerry web site and see for your damn self where he stands on the drug war. If your to much of an idiot to find it on your own, you have but to ask and I will produce it for you.

"They aren't, as I explained."

They are, as I explained. Tell me oh explainitive one, what is the difference in the two?

"It must be hard for you to understand when you break everything up instead of reading statements as a whole"

No, it's not that hard. As a matter of fact it's kind of easy. Attacks on writing styles usually means the attacker has a weak aguement. Or a weak mind. Whats your excuse?

"All drugs together again when I've quite clearly stated my opinion that we have a better chance of them being legalised one at a time."

You don't have any chance of legalized weed under Kerry.

"I can never get my crystal ball to see four years into the future"

You don't need one. All you have to do is read about Kerry and the drug war to know that he will continue it. I guess your crystal ball don't work to good were Kerry is concerned either. Seems you think he will up and legalize weed because he voted in favour of research. It's a pretty far stretch of the imagination to think that way, so you must be seeing it in one of your Kerry balls.

"And you're quite right, in my opinion, of the two people that have a chance of winning, I do favour Kerry."

Well good for you. I wonder how long that favour will last if he is elected and continues the oppression of weed tokers?

"Voting to stop the DEA dragging it's arse isn't supporting "in any shape or form"? You might want to rephrase that."

I don't have to rephrase it, you just did. Voting to continue dragging their ass is what he did. Voting for research is not supporting "cannabis use" in any shape of form. It is support for testing it. It means nothing. Since our government already gives out weed to some people, looks like they already know about it's qualitys. If he wants to support weed, he should do it right, like Mike does. Your "Kerry supports cannabis use" arguement is the lamest one you have come up with yet. What else do you think he will do better then Bushy? Will he end the war in Iraq? Will he get rid of the patriot act? I'm thinking since you can't even find his web site that you don't know what he is planning to do on any issue.

"It must be just you then."

Or maybe it's just you!

"Quite right, if I did it wouldn't be, but I don't have to. And when the present administration of the country involved is making the world a more dangerous place I doubt there are many countries with citizens who wouldn't wish to sway the vote against it."

Oh but you did make shit up. It's all right there home boy. Your statement that Libertarians want people to think they are the only ones that wish to legalize is a lie. If you can prove that statement true, I would like to see it. What was it that you were doing with that lie anyway? Oh yeah, you were trying to sway a voter in another country.

"Clinton had lower figures than Bush Junior."

Show me the numbers if ya would, or should I just take your word for it since your so much better then the rest of us?

"At the moment I think you're doing a far better job at swaying voters toward Kerry than I am."

Really? It could be that you can't stand being bested, and your saying that is a way to make yourself feel better about your arguement being so lame. Usually when people have to say something like that, it ain't true.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Medical Marijuana and the Federal War on Drugs
In the 2000 campaign for president, George W. Bush said that the federal government should not interfere with the medical marijuana policies of the several states. Like so many other promises, he went back on his word and has closed down medical marijuana facilities permitted by state governments.

This is an outrage. The federal government has no constitutional authority to interfere with state drug policies. When the federal government outlawed alcohol, it required a constitutional amendment to do so. Nonetheless it has assumed the legal authority to wage its "War on Drugs."

According to nearly every scientific study on the subject, including ones conducted by the government, medical marijuana provides unique relief to patients suffering from cancer, AIDS, glaucoma and other illnesses, and the drug does not have the same addictive properties as alcohol.

The federally approved Marinol contains the psychoactive THC but lacks other cannabinoids crucial to marijuana as an effective medicine. This is one of the many insanities of federal drug policy, which categorizes a plant that has never been shown to kill anyone as more illegal than cocaine, and certainly more illegal than alcohol.

Though smoking marijuanaâ??just as smoking tobaccoâ??can cause harm to the lungs and respiratory system, the drug can also be ingested and vaporized so as to prevent such unwanted side effects.

On a fundamental level, Libertarians believe that it is the unalienable and constitutional right of individuals to medicate themselves and choose for themselves what to put into their bodies, as long as they live up to the consequences of their actions. The federal government has no proper say in the matter, and state governments violate the rights of the people in their own attempts to enforce morality. The decision to ingest, smoke or consume any drug should be up to the individual, under the advice of his or her physician, when appropriate. Locking people up for trying to relieve their pain is cruel and unusual punishment for an act that hurts no one.

The Drug War has led to some of the worst violations of the constitutional liberties of Americans, as well as to the worst wave of violent crime in American history since Alcohol Prohibition. It has been used to rationalize unlawful searches and seizures, corruption of the court system, no-knock raids, racial profiling, and "civil asset forfeiture"â??a policy whereby government officials can confiscate private property without even charging anyone with a crime. The War on Drugs, more than anything else, has served as a means of destroying the Bill of Rights. It has also led to excessive taxes and spending, costing more than 40 billion dollars a year to arrest, prosecute and imprison non-violent drug offenders.

Drug Prohibition has caused gang warfare and other violent crime by raising the prices of drugs so much that vicious criminals enter the market to make astronomical profits, and addicts rob and steal to get money to pay the inflated prices for their drugs. On average, drug prisoners spend more time in federal prison than rapists, who often get out on early release because of the over-crowding in prison caused by the Drug War. While violent criminals can usually have their sentences reduced, drug offenders are subject to "mandatory minimums," which strip away judicial discretion and force judges to put users and dealers in prison for decades. This has to stop.

The Drug War also has funded terrorists; providing them with opportunities for enormous profits, and even by giving foreign aid to such regimes as the Taliban as long as they promised to have "tough drug" policies.

The Drug War does not curb demand, it barely reduces supply, however it makes America much more dangerous and much less free.

A Libertarian president would order federal officials to cease and desist in harassing medical marijuana patients and would block federal spending on the War on Drugs. Nonviolent drug offenders would be released from federal prison, and each state would choose its own drug policy, just as each chose its own alcohol policy when alcohol Prohibition was repealed. Libertarians would hope and expect most states to come around and severely reform their policies to make them more humane and less at odds with the Constitution and the American way of life.

I'm Michael Badnarik, Libertarian for President. I ask the tough questions---to give you answers that really work!

[Sinsemilla Jones]

If I wanted to post on a forum where people had no minds of their own to debate the point I'd post on Marihemp Market Place.

Maybe you're more influenced by LT than you think.

LOL!

-Sinse

[heartsurgerysurviver]

Maybe, just maybe, you are influenced a bit by CR. Birds of a feather........usually shit off the same power lines, LOL. heart

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Maybe you were too influenced by TH.

But no hard feelings here.
I truly hope you and Rita are doing well.

For that matter, I hope Tony's doing well, too.

-Sinse

[HvyFuel]

Sinse - I was convinced by Toker of the need to legalise all drugs but my opinion of Market Place was formed by the moron moderating it banning anyone who disagrees with his pets.

Toker - "Grumpy ain't ya?"

Only when people think they're so much better than everyone else. I know very well where johnkerry.com is but then I wasn't the one quoting from it.

"I guess if your part of the "anyone but bush herd" it doesn't really matter."

If I were part of that 'herd' I'd consider wasting my vote on the LP, but as I have no vote to cast I'll continue urging people to vote for the only viable alternative to Bush.

"Tell me oh explainitive one, what is the difference in the two?"

'Kerry's stance on cannabis is a damn site better than Bush's, I can't see Bush voting to speed up the only research they are going to accept no matter how much independent research you'd care to show them.' Reading statements as a whole often helps.

"Attacks on writing styles usually means the attacker has a weak aguement. Or a weak mind. Whats your excuse? "

I don't need one but what's yours?

"You don't have any chance of legalized weed under Kerry." ...
"All you have to do is read about Kerry and the drug war to know that he will continue it. I guess your crystal ball don't work to good were Kerry is concerned either."

Wait, the mists are clearing, Kerry in the Whitehouse and the LP with less than 10% again. See, it does work. Bye, bye, Asscroft, hello medical use, ...hello legalisation. It's not hard to work out if you take off the LP blinkers.

"Voting to continue dragging their ass is what he did."

To do that he didn't need to bother voting.

"Or maybe it's just you! "

It's me trying to make people think only the LP will change anything? You make less sense as you go along.

"Oh but you did make shit up. It's all right there home boy. Your statement that Libertarians want people to think they are the only ones that wish to legalize is a lie."

Then it's a lie you are trying to make people believe. I'm not debating with the LP, I'm debating with one person last time I checked.

"It could be that you can't stand being bested"

By who? All you've done is snipe and you're a poor shot.

"..and your saying that is a way to make yourself feel better about your arguement being so lame."

All arguments but yours are lame aren't they? After all, yours is the only opinion that should be heard so let's call everyone stupid and hope they go away.

"Usually when people have to say something like that, it ain't true."

Given the previous statement you should know.

peace

[Sinsemilla Jones]

...my opinion of Market Place was formed by the moron moderating it banning anyone who disagrees with his pets.

I've been a member over there for over two years, and I've disagreed with just about everybody at one time or another. Even disagreed with CR on an issue that pertained directly to the subject matter of the board, so I guess they screwed up in not banning me. But then again, I didn't accuse him of being a parasite or on the take like has been done a million times by scammers and trolls over there.

-Sinse