No I don't think this thread is getting old. You really make a shit load of sinc but it seems you skip over items. In your very first post you say what things need to be done but give no examples. I have found that women get turned on by a guy who tells the truth no matter what it is. The truth is like a stone, it can't be moved and more importantly doesn't need to be change. I think women just wants to know their man they don't like beleaveing that they are being played or don't really know the truth. They don't/are affraid of being the last to know on something important. Thats why the phrase "Just Be Yourself "is so prevalent, its a sign of ones ablitlity to tell the truth and not hide inner issuses within as the result of social politics. For Instance I love to touch girls faces I like to pet them, I like to look them in the eyes deeply when I do I like it as much if not more than intercourse, theres nothing better than making a girl feel SAFE. I love it we I see trust in her eyes, I like it as much as sex if not more. I have one goal - up her self esteem, but some girls don't like/are scared of that.