MG and HBRW are very abundant during the summer at alot of states in the US. I get about 6 packs of 60 seeds untreated and dosed high on that.. got what i wanted.. no visuals but hey I sure did get a caffeine stimulant high, which laot of people dont seem to notice inless it's intence... it's not so much a mental high though it's self-evident. I remember running around alot or focusing much easier and felt more natural due to less mental toxication. I think the term "like chewing on wood" is bad for describing how it smells and tastes. It's better if you grind them up instead of eating the large amounts of seeds and grinding them reduces nausea. All the seed alkaloids is whats causing ur stomach to ache. It's just natural with the trip.. you either have it or you dont. It's best you throw up because by the time u start feeling nauseated the high should be launching from baseline. I remember taking 1 shot of a very very high dose of grinded, liquidized MG in a shot glass (very wide glass) smelt soooOOOoOOOO bad..and tasted SooOoooO Bad.. it makes san pedro tea seem like candy.. thgh wasnt as bad as MH bark aya brew.