if there's a hell, this is it

[miraz]

Oh man.. this a perfect topic for me also..... Well im 15 and im now just started to think about all this stuff that you rasta, already have.....A couple questions though, do the psychedelics or entheogens help. Becuase im even finding myself starting to realize these things when i smoke. (Although very minuscule to what your experiencing im sure)

miraz Reviewed by miraz on 12-29-2005. if there's a hell, this is it I hate today's world. I myself am the only person 'connected' to my spiritual self in my family (rest of 'em are straight athiest), and It's extremely frustrating trying to explain philosphical standpoints when everyone on around you tends to get a wide grin and occasionally laugh at what you have to say. I just feel so strongly that there is SO much more to life then the physical world. Something much, much greater... yes, that is without question. Anyway recently I picked up shamanism, and Rating: 5

[Powder Puff]

Ahhh, thank you... alas, being 15, and in America, it is extremely hard to find any social groups who can accept the true nature of entheogens rather then just another "drug" to "trip" off of. There are great truths revealed in entheogenic journeys... truth of one's self, truth of the universe... bare reality. Thank you for that bit of insight my friend.

Sorry for being way of point, but are you 15 years old Rasta?

It's just you have a very strong view of life that early! I take my hat of for you!

[RastaKaze]

Thank you for that powederpuff, and miraz, I think you and I could have a very posotive talk, why don't you drop me an email at [email protected]... The truth is, they can help, and have helped me miraculously. I consider It my duty to spread the spiritual use of these plants in any way I can. But in order to gain any true lesson from them, you must want to change, and you must approach everything you do with great commitment.

[beachguy in thongs]

Thank you for that powederpuff, and miraz, I think you and I could have a very posotive talk, why don't you drop me an email at [email protected]... The truth is, they can help, and have helped me miraculously. I consider It my duty to spread the spiritual use of these plants in any way I can. But in order to gain any true lesson from them, you must want to change, and you must approach everything you do with great commitment.

Jimi Hendrix was coming out with a song called "Straight Ahead".
"We gotta tell the children the truth, they don't need a whole lot of lies.
Because on of these days, baby, they'll be running things.
So, when you give 'em love, ya' gotta give it right."

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

I have seen reality, through the ingestion of my plant allies. True reality is something to make most men's heart fail... it is not very barable. Only the few brave individuals who devote they're lives to the nature of entheogens will experience anything near true reality.

u've seen reality have you. please explain

and..speak english this time. not everyone knows what entheogens means.

[RastaKaze]

It is not something that can be written down or described to one so deeply emersed in the middle world of ego-conciousness. Until you have traveled to both the sub and superconcious minds, it is impossible to comprehend they're reality. As an individual very interested in shamanic work, I have learned to induce these ecstatic visionary states via shamanic drumming.. I can do this whenever I want to, and I can choose to end the visions whenever I please. Drug induced ecstasy, much like the kind induced by mind-altering potions such as ayahuasca, are but the training wheels for shamanic work. Really, I'd love to try to explain it all to you, but it would just take an eternity.

[dopesmoker]

i think i'm the only one that has a chance of understanding what Rasta is saying

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

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[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

I want so much to go into my subconscious and superconscious, but It's really frustrating when you don't get it soon, ya know? Tool's song Third Eye got me wanting to try again, this time I feel the desire with more conviction, you know? I hope I'll get somewhere this time .

[Euphoric]

Hell is very much this 3rd dimension (3D). This is a dimension of pain, flesh, choas, fear and death.
However, it is nessecary to experience this for our personal growth (no pain no gain).

Hell could take on new forms in 4D. 4D is a place where thought (or "intention") is very quickly turned into reality. A weak soul could easily create a hell beyond time by not being in control of itself. Maybe that is what experiencing the 3D is all about.


Hell is probably worse on lower levels of existance.